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PostPosted: 14:20 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Digital Economy Bill Protest Demo - March 24th Reply with quote

The bill has now gone through the House of Lords and will probably go through the Commons before the election; Evil or Very Mad

https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8569750.stm

but, there is a demo protesting against it on the 24th of this month in London, at 5:30 in Old Palace Yard;

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/disconnection

Anyone going? And any Lahndahners know if there's anywhere close to safely park the bike?
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they bringing Ak47s? , if they don't then it won't do Jack.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the new bill? Download films and they cut your internet off?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a wireless router how can they prove who downloaded the files?
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
If you have a wireless router how can they prove who downloaded the files?


If you're too dumb to secure your router, your internet should be taken off you anyway before you email your bank details to the first Nigerian who asks for them.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, if you download using usenet/newsgroups then you use a server which is encrypted, no fucker knows what you are downloading. Even if they shut down the indexing sites (i.e like newzbin are currently having trouble) you can still browse usenet raw and look for things yourself using say, newsbin.

Seems like only torrent users will suffer, big whoop.

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PostPosted: 17:05 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
If you have a wireless router how can they prove who downloaded the files?


They assume its YOU and prosecute you, there was case law recently about a pub whereby somebody downloaded a file over Wifi and got the landlord into trouble with a 5K fine.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
If you're too dumb to secure your router, your internet should be taken off you anyway before you email your bank details to the first Nigerian who asks for them.


If you go all out to protect your router then you deserve to have all your internet traffic logged and assumed to be your own.

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PostPosted: 17:12 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
What is the new bill? Download films and they cut your internet off?

Basically. If you're caught sharing files illegally you could end up losing your internet connection. It was drawn up with the help of the big content producers... the same producers who are still making millions of pounds worth of profit every year, despite claims that their businesses are losing money hand over fist due to piracy.

chris-red wrote:
If you have a wireless router how can they prove who downloaded the files?

That's what people are worried about. It could spell the end of open wifi, and that could seriously affect libraries and universities, and small companies that use free open wifi to draw punters in.

As far as I'm concerned, all I need to know is that smarmy lying shitbox Mandelson is involved, and therefore it has to be bad news.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
chris-red wrote:
If you have a wireless router how can they prove who downloaded the files?


If you're too dumb to secure your router, your internet should be taken off you anyway before you email your bank details to the first Nigerian who asks for them.


People can crack most standard forms of WEP or WPA I think. What if you have a geeky neighbour? they could be sniffing packets for days without too much trouble.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above, most forms of encryption that most people use (quite possibly yourself based on your comment Wink) are fairly easily crackable.

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But despite criticism, the government said it was still committed to giving courts the power to block websites which are infringing copyright.

Hmmm. Our internet is already censored, but we're getting closer and closer to China - I'm waiting for hackers to set up some torrents on the number 10 site and request it is blocked Smile.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
Basically. If you're caught sharing files illegally you could end up losing your internet connection.

It's never going to happen. Laughing ISPs aren't going to starting cutting off their customers.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hammers wrote:
Basically. If you're caught sharing files illegally you could end up losing your internet connection.


Downloading or sharing? Or both? (Sorry for the questions but I haven't got the patience to watch the video).
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone will end up banned. I know when it happens to me I'll just move onto my neighbours internet and get them banned etc until everyone in a mile radius is living in the stone age.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
As above, most forms of encryption that most people use (quite possibly yourself based on your comment Wink) are fairly easily crackable.


Not unless you've sneaked into my house and tapped into the 20cm long ethernet cable between the router and the computer. Wink

Although I'd have said it would take a pretty determined attack to get through WPA2 and MAC address filtering (assuming a halfway sensible passphrase). There would almost certainly be easier ways to download copyrighted/illegal content.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Should in interesting when someone hacks into a ministers home wireless network and then starts doing downloads in bulk. There are certainly going to be people planning that already.

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PostPosted: 02:13 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, very interesting and it's why I've been using this:-

https://www.ipredator.se/

For the past 6 months. Private, secured and anonymous VPN.
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone here had experience with the Tor anonymiser?

I tried to get it working but couldn't configure it properly.
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PostPosted: 02:52 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a bit of a pointless power but nonetheless more power they should'nt have. I wouldn't get worried about it though, you get 3 strikes then you're out, the system is not changing, it relies on a media company to request your ISP to send you a warning, this has been happening for years, the only new part will be the government having the power to shut down your net access.

If you do end up getting a letter warning you from your ISP then you know that your downloading isn't secure, so take steps, such as VPN security and carry on, no more hassle.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
Downloading or sharing? Or both? (Sorry for the questions but I haven't got the patience to watch the video).


So long as it comes under 'copyright infringement' it counts I think (I'd watch the vid again but I'm at work..), so, it doesn't really matter which as they'll have you for either.

It's worth reading up on it, flip. There's a lot more to it and a lot of sneaky legislation that's going through with it. One of the most troubling aspects is that cunt Mandelson is creating the equivalent of a 'Pirate-Finder General' post that will allow him (and his successors) free reign to introduce new internet laws without debate or being passed through the usual parliamentary process, using 'secondary legislation'.

The more you look into it the more you see how the whole thing is outrageous and a fucking disgrace.

ulthar wrote:
Change that to billions. Fucking scum are raking it in while ticket prices to the cinemas are high. Greedy bastards the film industry is.


True, and what's telling is that the Lib Dems report on it was practically taken verbatim from the BPI report. There's also the fact that that slug Mandelson originally had no interest in this bill, until that is, he started spending time being courted by David Geffen... The whole thing stinks.

stinkwheel wrote:
If you're too dumb to secure your router, your internet should be taken off you anyway before you email your bank details to the first Nigerian who asks for them.


Trouble is, the way this law will work means that if anyone in your house is stupid enough to get caught then everyone will lose the connection. Maybe not such a big problem in a 'normal' household, but what about student households, or places where it's just impossible for the account holder to monitor all users activities? Universities? Librarys? Cafe's?

Ghostrider wrote:
Meh, if you download using usenet/newsgroups then you use a server which is encrypted, no fucker knows what you are downloading. Even if they shut down the indexing sites (i.e like newzbin are currently having trouble) you can still browse usenet raw and look for things yourself using say, newsbin.


There's a lot more to it than just that tho, Ghost. This will affect genuinely legal file sharing too, not just pirated stuff, and a whole lot of other areas too, some of which will only become apparent when it's too late.

Ste wrote:
It's never going to happen. ISPs aren't going to starting cutting off their customers.

If it was left up to them, probably not. But it won't be.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't download much stuff, if I like a song, I prefer to buy it to be honest. Downloading films? Who can be arsed.

The problem with this, is it seems to be another one of those new labour laws where guilt is inferred and you have to prove your innocent. Also, theres another issue I'd take with in that; a lot of these new laws criminalise second and third parties unfairly. For example, that landlord mentioned above. It puts unfair liability on him/her if they'd be prosecuted because someone D/L or shared something on a shared wifi network.

That extends to private wifi routers too. This idea that they authorities can't prove who did it, but someone is going to take responsibility for allowing it to happen even although its not particularly reasonable to expect they could do anything about it.

Also as said, Mandelson is an extremely odious individual, any law he champions should be opposed by default.

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PostPosted: 12:02 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
Downloading films? Who can be arsed.

People that can't be arsed to watch all the 'anti-piracy' stuff you can't skip at the beginning of normal films. Wink
At the moment it's often much easier to download and watch a pirated version than to 'use' an existing disc you already own of the same film.

I do wonder where the impetuous for all this reductions in freedom come from. I'm far to cynical to believe it really is a big conspiracy - but do wonder if often it's seen as the easiest way to bring money in for each case.
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G wrote:
pa_broon74 wrote:
Downloading films? Who can be arsed.

People that can't be arsed to watch all the 'anti-piracy' stuff you can't skip at the beginning of normal films. Wink
At the moment it's often much easier to download and watch a pirated version than to 'use' an existing disc you already own of the same film.

I do wonder where the impetuous for all this reductions in freedom come from. I'm far to cynical to believe it really is a big conspiracy - but do wonder if often it's seen as the easiest way to bring money in for each case.


I know with music, I can't be bother ripping (or is it burning) CD's. I just download the song instead.

As for the motivation, it's not a conspiracy as such, its just big business protectionism. I think people wouldn't be so critical of it if A) UK citizens weren't habitually mugged for goods that cost much less elsewhere and B) It wasn't that simpering twat Mandelson who was spearheading it.

I always remember the FACT advert coming up at the beginning of films at the pictures. It always made me smile because the voice-over guy sounds so incredibly fucking smug that they found such a great acronym for their organisation.

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