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Vinyardo
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? *UPDATE - BOUGHT ONE!!* Reply with quote

Hi peeps, I need some advice! I'm looking at trading the Bandit in for something a bit more sporty - I have settled on the CBR over the R6/ZX6R/GSXR for a number of reasons (feel free to mock my reasoning!):

Arrow Reliablity
Arrow Lower Insurance
Arrow Better looking (pre-2000 models at least) Shifty

I've got a few questions about the CBR in general, so if anyone has owned or even ridden one before then please enlighten me!!

Question What is the difference (performance wise) between the carbed and FI models?
Question What are common problems to look out for?
Question What sort of age should I be looking at for £2k - £2.5k (I'm guessing pre-2000 for something in decent nick?)
Question How much difference in performance/handling are they than the Bandit?

I have spotted a few black/yellow 1999 models around the £2200 mark - does that seem reasonable?

If you have any other CBR-related useful info, then please share that too!

Thanks
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

Vinyardo wrote:


Question What is the difference (performance wise) between the carbed and FI models?
Question What are common problems to look out for?
Question What sort of age should I be looking at for £2k - £2.5k (I'm guessing pre-2000 for something in decent nick?)
Question How much difference in performance/handling are they than the Bandit?

I have spotted a few black/yellow 1999 models around the £2200 mark - does that seem reasonable?

If you have any other CBR-related useful info, then please share that too!


Check out CBR-forums. Thumbs Up

I guess you're just talking about the F rather than the RR, so that's how I'll answer yours questions.

Power from carbed to FI is a very slight increase. The actual engine is unchanged from the 1999 or FX model until they stopped making them in 2005/6.

Common Problems,Cam chain tensioners stick on them. Can be an issue, not always. Listen for the tick. Clutch rumbles in neutral it's not a problem. Reg/recs can fail. Check the centre stand's still there. Second gear can fail, or it'll jump out on bikes that have been heavily wheelied. Standard headers can rust through, but not usually an issue.

See ebay/pistonheads/biketrader, but I suspect around the year 2000 to be fair.

Don't be afraid of bikes with big mileages if they are well cared for they are good for big miles.

F Sport is slightly different, looks the same, but has no centre stand and slightly different engine internals for racing. Possibly slightly different suspension. It's not worth the extra wedge over the standard version on the road.

O, and compared to the bandit, it is faster and more capable, but may not feel it due to the fairing.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

O, and compared to the bandit, it is faster and more capable, but may not feel it due to the fairing.


Cheers for the reply

I've not ridden a faired bike before, do you just mean that being out of the wind makes it feel slower??
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ No. You're just less aware of the wind. CBR as a first faired bike is a pretty good choice, I'm told. They're super comfy and will feel very plush compared to a Bandit. You might find yourself having small issues with the lack of steering lock though, Bandits have loads, CBRs have less, and I have had to modify how I ride a little when at junctions and so on, slow speed stuff, so I'm not relying on the 'lock' to turn.

Get one, you wont be disappoint. But the cam chain tensioner may very well cause you a small amount of hassle.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

Vinyardo wrote:
Hi peeps, I need some advice! I'm looking at trading the Bandit in for something a bit more sporty - I have settled on the CBR over the R6/ZX6R/GSXR for a number of reasons (feel free to mock my reasoning!):

Arrow Reliablity
Arrow Lower Insurance
Arrow Better looking (pre-2000 models at least) Shifty

I've got a few questions about the CBR in general, so if anyone has owned or even ridden one before then please enlighten me!!

Question What is the difference (performance wise) between the carbed and FI models?
Question What are common problems to look out for?
Question What sort of age should I be looking at for £2k - £2.5k (I'm guessing pre-2000 for something in decent nick?)
Question How much difference in performance/handling are they than the Bandit?

I have spotted a few black/yellow 1999 models around the £2200 mark - does that seem reasonable?

If you have any other CBR-related useful info, then please share that too!

Thanks
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You should be able to get a 2001 model for that money at this time of year, 2001+ = looks better and has fuel injection...

Not much in it performance wise though between the carb/FI ones tbh, only slight changes although it believe it does make a bit more power and has some clutch and suspension differences.


The bandit is heavier, less powerful has budget suspension and frame components is less aerodynamic and has a non sporty position: quite a lot in terms of performance Mr. Green

Common problems (all from experience Sad ):

The CCT lifter, this will sound like a rattle coming from the right hand side of the engine, prob loudest at some point between 3-6k rpm. It is debatable if it is a serious issue but it sounds gay so you'll want to sort it. New one is £60 and can be fitted by anybody in about 1.5 hrs.

Rusted downpipes - mild steel, enough said

speed sensors are particularly shite - I have no speedo for the 1st 10-15 mins of my ride. I need a new one but £120 for a new one is too big a kick in the balls atm. I am gonna strip it out again and contact cleaner the fuck out of everything but till then... I ride like a granny for the 1st 10 mins

I also had a siezed chain adjuster, had to have a guy with an oxy acetylene torch have at it, more a PITA than anything.

I have heard of reg recs failing and the gearbox is typically honda, not as slick as suzuki but no worse than Yam/Kwak etc



A lot have been binned etc too so look out for the obvious, also these were Hondas flagship sports bikes at the time so a lot will have been raced, keep an eye out for skagged wheels, drilled bolts and pristine bodywork.


The F version is VERY fucking comfy though, rides well, sounds awesome with a baffleless can and goes like stink. For all the problems I've had with it (I bought it VERY cheap i.e. £400 under normal prices) I still fucking love it and would recommend one to anybody!
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

I think I saw on his facebook that Swaffs may have his CBR (FX I think) for sale, worth giving him a PM.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check downpipes! Both my brothers and my own bike - his 1995 and mine 1991 had busted downpipes, I'm in the middle of replacing mine at the moment. Looking at about £120 for a set of new Stainless Steel ones.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:

You should be able to get a 2001 model for that money at this time of year, 2001+ = looks better and has fuel injection...


Can't find much newer than 2000 for the price - bearing in mind I'm only looking dealers so I can PX.

StevenF wrote:

Check downpipes!


I have heard that a lot - same problem with most bikes though isn't it? I know the Bandit has mild steel pipes too.

G wrote:

I think I saw on his facebook that Swaffs may have his CBR (FX I think) for sale, worth giving him a PM.


Where is he based? Can't seem to find his profile! I'm in East Midlands
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

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Can't find much newer than 2000 for the price - bearing in mind I'm only looking dealers so I can PX.




Ah that'll do it then; I got a 2001 private with 16k last summer for £2k... Dealers are a bit cunty in that respect


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StevenF wrote:

Check downpipes!


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I have heard that a lot - same problem with most bikes though isn't it? I know the Bandit has mild steel pipes too.


Yeah I'm sure they are no worse than other bikes.... still shit though, mine are mostly putty atm Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a superb condition '91 last week for £1k, you should be able to get very last 90's or even a 2000 for that price.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donny, that looks sweet Thumbs Up

I quite like the 1999 colour scheme like this:

https://www.shearwatermotorcycles.com.au/images%20used%20bikes/road/Honda%20CBR600F%201999.JPG

The earlier bikes look a little dated, but that is just my opinion!
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

Vinyardo wrote:

Where is he based? Can't seem to find his profile! I'm in East Midlands

South London - I checked your profile before commenting and thought it was 'doable'.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? Reply with quote

G wrote:
Vinyardo wrote:

Where is he based? Can't seem to find his profile! I'm in East Midlands

South London - I checked your profile before commenting and thought it was 'doable'.


lol anything is doable, i went to good old doncaster for my last bike from devon Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinyardo wrote:
Donny, that looks sweet Thumbs Up

I quite like the 1999 colour scheme like this:

https://www.shearwatermotorcycles.com.au/images%20used%20bikes/road/Honda%20CBR600F%201999.JPG

The earlier bikes look a little dated, but that is just my opinion!


HEHE cheers,

Thats a nice looking bike mate, everyone knows that yellow is the fastest colour!

For that money I would certainly not expect something older than 1999, there is a black and yellow colour scheme at that age that also looks v nice. (Yes, I am yellow biased Cool )
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice polsihed rims too Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just been to have a look at a 1999 as above (not the same bike, but same colour Smile ).

It was very comfy to sit on - sporty, but not too much. Unfortunately, it wasn't in great condition - rusted downpipes (cheers for heads-up or I wouldn't have spotted that Thumbs Up ), plus some scrapes down one side of the fairing.

It was good, but not for the £1900 asking price. Guess I'll keep looking...
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 18 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plenty around mate so keep on looking Thumbs Up

TBH though most bikes this age will have a fair amount of rust on the OEM headers. If the bike is sound all over except for the pipes I'd be tempted (I did in fact) to factor in the cost of replacing them (£150 ish) and buy it anyway.

The bit to check is 4 into 2 collector boxes as they seem to rust the most, you can see these if you lie down next to the bike and look about 6 inches back from the tip of the bottom fairings.

If you hear a tapping noise, feel for a leak (will be very hot!). There is little point in welding them so break out the putty for now and be prepared to replace them soonish.

Good luck with yer hunt!
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 19 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

great thread, im in same position as op, bandit ---> cbr f hopefully.

The narrow turning span is slightly of concern, have got used to the handy tight turning on the bandit, esp around london

in an ideal world, would keep it and have the 2!
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 19 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've switched from a CB500 to a CBR600f, and I'm commuting in/out of westminster- the only difference that the lack of steering lock seems to make is when you're trying to get round some cars when at a stand still.

That's the only time I've found it to be an issue!
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really miss my CBR now, some bastard bought it off me Crying or Very sad Laughing

How is she going mate, any problems?
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, it's running grand. New front 21, carb balance and a scottoiler have done the job nicely!
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Which CBR600 for £2000ish? *UPDATE - BOUGHT ONE!!* Reply with quote

Right, I got one now!! Just picked it up - 1999 CBR600F:

https://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/vinyardo/CBR600F/2.jpg?t=1269097899

https://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/vinyardo/CBR600F/1.jpg?t=1269097941

https://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/vinyardo/CBR600F/5.jpg?t=1269097962

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https://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/vinyardo/CBR600F/3.jpg?t=1269098016

I am very impressed - quick, yet comfy!

Thanks for all your help and advice guys

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit late in the day but you REALLY need to check the service history. The 16k service is the biggy since its the first valve check and one reason why people sell. Cost is anything from £400 to £700.

OEM chain is good for 17k+, it might never have been changed. Cost is around £120.

Make sure you get a spare key. A new one will cost £20 plus another £50-£70 for programming. Lose the only key you've got and the bill is £800+.

Suspension adjusters can seize due to lack of use. Be very careful when changing the exhaust downpipes, studs can break.

The bike is a bit top heavy, especially with a full tank. Not a problem when riding but can throw you off balance when pushing it.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having taken it for a nice spin now to get used to it (albeit in the rain Sad ) here are my initial thoughts:

Arrow It is much faster than the Bandit, but doesn't really feel it at first because the gear ratios are longer and the fairing keeps the wind off you. I accelerated up to what I thought felt like 60, then noticed 100 on the speedo Embarassed

Arrow Despite the sporty riding position, it is much more comfy than the Bandit - mostly due to the fairing, but also thanks to the seat.

Arrow The gear change is suprisingly smooth, but the clutch seems to be more aggressive (making quick starts harder)

Arrow The turning circle is bigger, but not by much - it is a 9-point turn in my garage instead of 7-point Laughing

All in all, great little bike - looking forward to some good weather so I can really open it up!!
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 20 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Bit late in the day but you REALLY need to check the service history. The 16k service is the biggy since its the first valve check and one reason why people sell. Cost is anything from £400 to £700.


It's done about 20k and had a recent service, so that is all good.

Marki wrote:

OEM chain is good for 17k+, it might never have been changed. Cost is around £120.


Chain & sprockets look fairly new.

Marki wrote:

Make sure you get a spare key. A new one will cost £20 plus another £50-£70 for programming. Lose the only key you've got and the bill is £800+.


Only got one key with it so I'll watch out for that, cheers!

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Suspension adjusters can seize due to lack of use. Be very careful when changing the exhaust downpipes, studs can break.


Just had new downpipes put on Thumbs Up

Marki wrote:

The bike is a bit top heavy, especially with a full tank. Not a problem when riding but can throw you off balance when pushing it.


I'm used to a Bandit, so this bike feels very light Laughing I see what you mean about being top-heavy though, bit of a pain tp move around in the garage
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