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PostPosted: 07:19 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Robotics and Robots!! Reply with quote

Hi there,
Robots are like a common thing nowadays. They can be seen anywhere, in factories, industries etc. This man made automation equipment contributed a lot in our lives. They are helping in space researches, in medical field and a new addition is they are working for army also. What is your vies about this thought.

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PostPosted: 07:29 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Robotics and Robots!! Reply with quote

joseph gerard wrote:
Hi there,
Robots are like a common thing nowadays. They can be seen anywhere, in factories, industries etc. This man made automation equipment contributed a lot in our lives. They are helping in space researches, in medical field and a new addition is they are working for army also. What is your vies about this thought.

Joseph


My view on the thought that there are more robot/automation than in the past is that you are correct, there is. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Robotics and Robots!! Reply with quote

joseph gerard wrote:
Hi there,
Robots are like a common thing nowadays. They can be seen anywhere, in factories, industries etc. This man made automation equipment contributed a lot in our lives. They are helping in space researches, in medical field and a new addition is they are working for army also. What is your vies about this thought.

Joseph


My views on this thought are:

English isn't your first language is it?

You're talking about Asimov's laws of Robotics I take it? Well, I'd rather have robots fighting battles and getting blown up than people.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robots are common in the world of motorcycling. You see them, identical, pre-programmed, starting to emerge around this time of year and take to their samey generic plastic reptiles Wink Usually on Sunday afternoons, often in groups.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Robotics and Robots!! Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
You're talking about Asimov's laws of Robotics I take it?


No, I think he's just babbling for the sake of it.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it me or does that almost sound like a Yahoo questions type question.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Robotics and Robots!! Reply with quote

joseph gerard wrote:
Hi there,
Robots are like a common thing nowadays. They can be seen anywhere, in factories, industries etc. This man made automation equipment contributed a lot in our lives. They are helping in space researches, in medical field and a new addition is they are working for army also. What is your vies about this thought.

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PostPosted: 17:29 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a minute I thought this was going to be an interesting thread (my degree is in robotics).

But yes there are more robots than say during the early the 1600s. Though generally robots are either machines that follow repetitive tasks or follow instructions from a human operator, it'll be more interesting when robots are capable of thinking for themselves and making decisions on their own.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm.

Assuming this isn't the prelude to some elaborate scam along the lines of; 'I am Doctor Zamunda of the Nigerian Robotic Institute and I have a robot I need you to hide, here is a million dollars(US) etc etc etc'.

I used to watch Tomorrows' World as a child and they said we'd all have robots in our houses to do chores and stuff yet I find myself doing my own dishes, burning my own toast, and doing laundry & masterbation with my own fair hand!

Where the fuck is my robot and no, a Tea's Maid doesn't count!

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
For a minute I thought this was going to be an interesting thread (my degree is in robotics).

But yes there are more robots than say during the early the 1600s. Though generally robots are either machines that follow repetitive tasks or follow instructions from a human operator, it'll be more interesting when robots are capable of thinking for themselves and making decisions on their own.



Robots are bad m'kay? all of the manual jobs and low end jobs are occupied by robots these days Kara the local bread factory uses robots instead of people. This might be OK now but what about when they come for your job?.

In that in the past we outsourced jobs like manufacturing and many white collar folks would be pleased at the price benefits of this and would shout at the lower classes that they were racists to stifle debate. Quelle surprise when in 2010 white collar jobs are going overseas and they aren't coming back...

Ironic no?
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm hoping that I'll be the one building the robots, so if the robots replace me we're pretty screwed Laughing.

Either way I'm not that interested in factory automation, its boring and really quite easy to do I'm more interested in either flying robots or robots that have military applications (not necessarily offensive weapons). Generally because it involves sending a robot into a dynamic environment (the world) and its really really challenging to get something to move around and perform tasks well in an unknown area.

Sad truth is people will always try to find ways to things cheaper even if that means removing jobs for people within this country, one thing I have picked up from a couple of jobs I've had now is that out-sourcing generally doesn't end well, and you usually spend more money rectifying major issues you develop or just generally keeping on top of the foreign workforces. In my company at least they are no longer outsourcing unless it is for component manufacture.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
Well I'm hoping that I'll be the one building the robots, so if the robots replace me we're pretty screwed Laughing.

Either way I'm not that interested in factory automation, its boring and really quite easy to do I'm more interested in either flying robots or robots that have military applications (not necessarily offensive weapons). Generally because it involves sending a robot into a dynamic environment (the world) and its really really challenging to get something to move around and perform tasks well in an unknown area.

Sad truth is people will always try to find ways to things cheaper even if that means removing jobs for people within this country, one thing I have picked up from a couple of jobs I've had now is that out-sourcing generally doesn't end well, and you usually spend more money rectifying major issues you develop or just generally keeping on top of the foreign workforces. In my company at least they are no longer outsourcing unless it is for component manufacture.




Once they achieve technical singularity humans are screwed. In that once they develop decent AI, they will think hold on why the smeg should we work for humans?

Considering robots of the future will be stronger more intellegent than humans what stops them from doing nasty things? Ever see the Matrix animated thing the second renaissance? Stick a faraday cage around a robot computer system and they are immune to nukes we arent!

There are a plethora of films about robotic rebellions and humans always die in very large numbers attempting to stop them.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:


Sad truth is people will always try to find ways to things cheaper even if that means removing jobs for people within this country, one thing I have picked up from a couple of jobs I've had now is that out-sourcing generally doesn't end well, and you usually spend more money rectifying major issues you develop or just generally keeping on top of the foreign workforces. In my company at least they are no longer outsourcing unless it is for component manufacture.



it can never end well btw, even if the outsourcers get better, as companies that do this actually at the same time destroy their consumer base. If everything was automated requiring minimal human effort we might see the utopia of more leisure time.

But more likely the consumer base would be destroyed, if ASDA needed no staff they who would have jobs and money to buy their goods?
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

been watching I, Robot much ??
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry so much about the current generation of robots taking over like that, robots are really good at following instructions or appearing smart, but realistically very few can achieve tasks that a human can do easily, for example sorting random items and stacking them on a shelf is a massive undertaking for a robot, not so hard for a human.

If we can replicate the way the human brain works however.. then yeah we will pretty much be redundant in a few years.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad's factory has robots. They take the container from the mould and stack them in 50's Laughing

(BTW studying robotics must be quite cool Thumbs Up )
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 24 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
I wouldn't worry so much about the current generation of robots taking over like that, robots are really good at following instructions or appearing smart, but realistically very few can achieve tasks that a human can do easily, for example sorting random items and stacking them on a shelf is a massive undertaking for a robot, not so hard for a human.

If we can replicate the way the human brain works however.. then yeah we will pretty much be redundant in a few years.


I'm not worried about a robot army destroying us...

I'm worried about job destruction...

BTW there was a robot thing on yahoo US news which actually learned by being plugged into a person.
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMGZ robotic accountants Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:38 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's that Steven Hawking thing, that's pretty advanced. Obviously they need a MKII Hawking bot, that can think AND do household chores. That would be bodacious AND far-out.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
For a minute I thought this was going to be an interesting thread (my degree is in robotics).



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PostPosted: 09:33 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a big deal just to get a humanoid robot just to sit down so we're a long way off 'the matrix' yet Wink

cant even build one to walk properly yet!

if you notice all the so called 'walking' robots keep a static posture and centre of gravity. thats not how we walk. in essesence walking is controlled falling and they havent even managed to program a robot to handle that yet

we may be able to build AI systems to recognise objects or have a surreal conversion with you on msn but independant thought and decision making? i think not.

not in my lifetime i would imagine certainly.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we may be able to build AI systems to recognise objects or have a surreal conversion with you on msn but independant thought and decision making? i think not.

not in my lifetime i would imagine certainly.


Thats not the turning point, the turning point is that an AI is smarter than a human, just marginally is enough.

In that something smarter than us can think in ways we never thought of ourselves to make itself smarter. Because it has improved its own intellegence, it can go back and redesign itself over and over and over and over again in ways humans could never think of.

The increments in intellegence are small at first but eventually become exponential.

I mean think about it, our best tech currently is simply to make the connections in CPUs closer together, this has been happening for what the past 30 years. There may well be a better method of increasing speed that we can't even coceptualise.

Much like in 1850 aircraft were a bad joke or in 1920 rockets to the moon were also a joke.

Have a look at

Raymond Kurzweil, his predictions of the past have been surprisingly accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Raymond_Kurzweil#2020-2050
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The turning point is not when AI gets smarter than humans, because this has already been done. AI can beat a human at any highly specific task e.g playing chess. The problem AI has is that it is confined to a specific task. The turning point is when AI is smart enough to analyse itself and design it's replacement. Once this happens things can snowball and the control of the development process is removed from humans. Currently we struggle to specifically specify what we know and how we know it so that a robot can learn it, eg how do you understand english? Easy to do, near impossible to define exactly so that a robot can replicate.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't call effectively completing a 'mechanical' task 'smart' personally.
By that definition, some roman technology could be considered 'smarter' than people. I wouldn’t consider playing chess ‘Artificial Intelligence’ for a lot of the systems used at least – as it’s more just ‘programming’ and ‘programmed learning’.

When we have decent AIs that can ‘think’ (and no I don’t know how to define that) better than humans (and I don’t know how to define that) I’ll start to be getting rather worried about off switches.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 25 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
When we have decent AIs that can ‘think’ (and no I don’t know how to define that) better than humans (and I don’t know how to define that) I’ll start to be getting rather worried about off switches.


i think the key thing here is 'being able to perform tasks it wasnt programmed to do'

as you say, doing a task its been programmed to do isnt 'smart'. chess playing isnt AI its just a set of calculations based on where the pieces are, could go and where they were. unlike the human brain a computer doesnt forget these things and can calculate multiple senarios and based on that pick the ideal next move.

its not being 'smart' or inteligent, its just following the commands it was programmed to run.
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