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MattHirst
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: New bike safety advert Reply with quote

Sorry if it's been covered before but it's new to me.

Just got eurosport on waiting for the WSB and noticed a new (to me) bike safety advert.

Basically goes on about people on bikes crashing, mainly on clean dry roads on rural bends with the rider loosing contrl. But then says that most people blame it on diesel, someone pulling out etc etc. It's got little clips of someone getting KD round bends etc and stacking it into a wall on a bend.

Which got me thinking, it is probably very true. How many people do you actually hear/read simply saying they blame it on themselves. More often than not you hear them say "some cunt in a BMW pulled out 1/4 mile away" or "The lorry infront of me decided to dump 5 gallons of diesel on the road" or whatnot.

Had a look on google and youtube and can't find a video of it. It ends with the well known 'To die for...?' with the picture of the dude getting KD.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike safety advert Reply with quote

When I crashed a demo CBR 600 RR getting my knee down around a roundabout a blamed a car pulling out Razz.
Though only because it was a company event and the CEO was paying the £500 excess Smile.

I actually blamed it on the tyres Wink.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fair enough due to the circumstances, i'm sure most of us would do the same Laughing

I mean the general 'I just binned my bike' threads we see on here.

Like my accident i had almost 2 years ago, hit a bump mid corner which threw me into a tank slapper. The bump was deemed the cause of the accident but maybe inexperience caused me to come off (ie, not being able to recover from a tank slapper or whatnot).

But how many times do you read people blaming it on someone/something else just because they are embarassed to admit they were at fault.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its becoming human nature to blame everything except yourself for any failing.

A large percentage of riders I go out with don't read the road. They spend a lot of time reading how to get their knee down, or wheelie, then go out to show the rest of the world how good they are. Unfortunately its not intuitive and they are putting too much thought into getting the seating position right, counter steering, looking for the apex, etc, always trying for 100%. If they just pulled back a bit and started thinking about road surface, tree lines, road position, and general signs they would be very good riders.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:

I mean the general 'I just binned my bike' threads we see on here.

Yea, I quite agree - in your case, as Marki suggests, I'd have said more 'reading the road'. Though, the natural thing to do with a tank slapper it to shut off the throttle, which tends to make it worse, while really you want to be getting on the throttle to help smooth it out.

I have oft' criticised those which come on here with "there was nothing I could do", as there almost always is, even when there's another vehicle 'at fault'.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not disagreeing with you at all, due to all the sedatives they pumped into me i don't remember anything at all after leaving tescos that evening Laughing

From what i was told by the police, i did almost manage to hold the tank slapper but due to it being a left hand bend it put me on the wrong side of the road (with a car coming the other way). Trying to get out of his way i low sided which put me underneath the car Crying or Very sad Didn't help it was at 11:30 in the evening so cold roads and dark which made the bump harder to see. Live and learn as they say.

I agree with the 'nothing i could of done' statement aswell. Even though someone else maybe at fault (pulling out etc), i'd say atleast 75% of accidents are avoidable just by reading peoples body position, eye contact etc. If you can sense they are going to pull out then you take action before they do. I often find it's quite obvious when someone is going to pull out on your, i know sometimes these things aren't avoidable but the majority of the time, they are.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My general rule of thumb has always been '100% for the track, 70% for the road'. If you still come off on the road it can hardly be your fault. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:05 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="G"]
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I have oft' criticised those which come on here with "there was nothing I could do", as there almost always is, even when there's another vehicle 'at fault'.


The only problem with that statement is that the rider might not know what to do. The idea of powering through a tank slapper isn't natural, so how do you actually 'learn' to do it? There's a lot to be said for tuition on the track.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most biker accidents are the bikers fault.

Most accidents could have been prevented with greater foresight and road obs etc.

The accident I had (got wiped out by a car) wasn't my "fault" - however, I can admit to myself that I could have prevented it if I was riding to a higher standard than I was. Frankly, if I was reading the road better, it wouldn't have happened to me.

Road craft for bikers is often as absymmal as it is for drivers. Riders like to "play victim" though becuase they are constantly told that they are victims. It's bullshit. True "accidents" are extremely rare and most incidents are at least 50% rider error, usually a lot more at summer - 85-90% rider stupidity.

I feel sorry for car drivers having to put up with impatient idiots on sportsbikes.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate bikers that say "I put her down".

No you didn't. You fcuked up and dropped it because you're not the riding god that you think you are. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same with 'learning' to steer around an obstacle than use maximum braking while having target fixation on it (something I'm still not great with) - not much that can be done if you panic a bit which is only natural, though experiencing minor ones a few times can mean you don't panic so much and have time to think. Not knowing that this is what you need to do of course isn't going to help.
While on a track there's less to hit, there also tends to be a lot higher speeds, so not sure I want to be 'practicing' this out on track!
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
I hate bikers that say "I put her down".

No you didn't. You fcuked up and dropped it because you're not the riding god that you think you are. Rolling Eyes


I have put bikes down very consciously and deliberately, including pushbikes, knowing the impact was coming and how bad it was likely to be. Don't assume every rider is a slow-witted saddle-potato. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

While on a track there's less to hit,


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PostPosted: 15:27 - 28 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
G wrote:

While on a track there's less to hit,


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I saw the picnic tables and chairs and was "W...T...F...?!" Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wondered wtf was going on with the guy sitting on a bench in the middle of the sandtrap, yeah. It's only when you see the bus that you start to figure it out.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
While on a track there's less to hit, there also tends to be a lot higher speeds, so not sure I want to be 'practicing' this out on track!


Its got to be the safest place to test, and improve, your braking ability. I can only think of one time on the road that I felt the rear going light while braking and that was in the dry. I have no idea on my limits when braking in the wet.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
G wrote:

While on a track there's less to hit,


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Good advert.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 29 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:

Its got to be the safest place to test, and improve, your braking ability. I can only think of one time on the road that I felt the rear going light while braking and that was in the dry. I have no idea on my limits when braking in the wet.

Very unlikely to get a tankslapper from braking as it’s an oscillation that develops from a light front end.
For general braking ‘practice’, I’d go for a quiet industrial estate or straight empty country road with good visibility. On a track you’ve got to worry about the upcoming corner, other bikes trying to get past you and braking sooner than you.

Any half decent tyre on a half decent bike should be able to stoppy in the dry on a reasonable surface. At around the point your rear wheels is just about to leave the ground is going to be maximum braking.
In the wet it’s going to vary even more on the surface and the tyre. I will often try a slow speed stoppy/brake test at traffic lights with no one behind me in the wet to get an idea of how much grip I have.
I recently stuck some new Diablo IIIs on my bike, first ride was a mile to the local shops in fairly heavy rain with saturated roads. On my road, pulling on the front brake fairly harshly at low speed resulted in the front sliding. By the time I got to the shops, it resulted in a stoppy at a similar speed.
It’s for this sort of situation I’d like ABS, as you can never really be 100% sure exactly how your tyre will interact with the current fairly unknown environment when it may be you’re very close to the limits of grip.

If you want to improve your ability to brake late into a corner, then the track is definitely the place to do it. However while it can be useful on the road to be able to slow significantly while leant over, it’s not a skill I’d hope to be using.
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