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PostPosted: 09:13 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Taekwondo Reply with quote

Went to my first ever martial arts lesson last night, and I've got to say, my legs a done in. If any of you want to get fit then go to one of those lessons. Been walking like John Wayne this morning with the pain.

Anyone else with martial arts experience? What's best to do at home to get myself ready for the next lesson?
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: Taekwondo Reply with quote

I go to various 'class' things at the gym - I find any time I go to a new one, I'm generally a bit stiff the day (or two) after the first few times - however your body fairly soon adapts to that set of exercises.
I try and rotate the stuff I'm doing so I'm varying the way muscles are used etc.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which of the (many) forms of TKD was it, and whereabouts in the country?
Obviously TKD places emphasis on use of the legs (theory is it originated from the traditional Korean art of Taek'yon which is pretty much purely leg based), so some gentle leg stretches won't go amiss.
Nothing too vigorous, maybe instead of sitting on the sofa sit on the floor and do a little bit of stretching - if it hurts, you're doing it wrong.

Equally, a little bit of cardio (jogging, cycling) won't hurt, neither will a few bodyweight exercises such as press-ups etc.

I wouldn't bother too much with the dallyon (conditioning) at the moment(unless heavily calloused knuckles are your thing), and as a word of advice aim for good execution of technique rather than trying to kick high - height will come with time, good technique is more important.

What made you try TKD? There are a million MA classes out there, have you considered taking some 'taster' lessons at other clubs to find a style/art that suits you?
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you doing it for? Self defence purposes or just to keep fit?

I did taekwondo for about 5 years, entered a few national competitions, won a few medals, I was one below black belt. Then it clicked that it was a sport more than a self defence system. Fitness wise it's great, especially if you go to squad training, but otherwise it's rather poor.

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PostPosted: 10:05 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest mate I have no clue what type of TKD it is. I've never been to a MA lesson before last night. It's a class that comes free with membership to my gym so I thought I'd give it a go and quite enjoyed it too. The teacher dude is 5 dan black belt and said he was going for his 6th dan shortly. Thanks for the tips too, will take those on board.

Taster lessons at other clubs sounds good but these are free so I will probably stick with TKD for a while. Maybe when I get this flexibility sorted and some sort of technique then I'll give something else a try.

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are you doing it for? Self defence purposes or just to keep fit?


Um.. pretty much doing it to get fit, get some confidence up, and to destroy some of my anxieties. What class do you recommend for self defence?
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
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What are you doing it for? Self defence purposes or just to keep fit?


Um.. pretty much doing it to get fit, get some confidence up, and to destroy some of my anxieties. What class do you recommend for self defence?


Boxing, Krav Maga seems to have the goods as well.

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PostPosted: 10:45 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
What class do you recommend for self defence?


A self-defence class, and not a martial arts class - whilst there is some cross-over areas (i.e. a punch is a punch etc), there's a world of difference. A good self-defence class is not just about the physical aspects, but should cover a lot more about the 'mental' aspects - awareness, adrenaline dump response etc.
Far too much of the 'self-defence' taught in MA clubs is of the 'he holds here and stands still whilst you execute a million techniques' type. This is extremely dangerous in my opinion as it can give an extremely false sense of security to the practitioner - Mushashi wrote 'Amateuristic martial arts are the source of great wounds'. That was written about 500 years ago, it's still true today.

Don't be swayed by your instructor's grade - the TKD grading system is sadly no longer a performance related grade, it's mostly about how long you've been there. With the higher grades (4th Dan and above) it's mostly about how much of a kiss-ass you are.

MA bores love to argue about style vs style - personally, i no longer care. To me it's about the student and the training methods. Sadly, most TMA clubs in this country do not have good 'alive' training methods, and consequently the results (IMHO) aren't worth a shit.

The bottom line is........if you like it, and it gives you the results you want, then stick with it and ignore everyone else.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to a TKD/MMA based Kickboxing class for 4 years till work got in the way and 2 none fault car accidents did my back in again. I was almost ready to grade for the last before black belt. By now I would have a black belt with my name on it, had work hours not interfered.


Before I joined that club, I went to a Wado-ryu Karate based ''Kickboxersise class in Middleton, Leeds for around 18 months before members dropped off and it just stopped. This club was fantastic for getting a then out of shape 25 year old back into shape.

It was that intense I lost 2 inches from my waste in 2 months, going from a 34 to 30.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:


What class do you recommend for self defence?


Going out and fighting, it's the only way. Unfortunately, unless you live in an area where everybody else is an aggressive, short-tempered cock, it's impossible to do this without being an aggressive short-tempered cock! Laughing

I honestly don't believe, given the way we train over here, that there's anything sufficiently realistic to give you a chance against a capable brawler. I've know untrained thugs that I would happily bet on over some very capable and highly regarded Senseis I've had. That's not to say that it's a waste of time, it's worth learning almost any art for it's own sake, as well as fitness, discipline, attitude, posture, and a host of other benefits IMO.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been doing ITF since I was 4. Won blackbelt heavyweight championship last year in scotland for sparring and special technique. Cool
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

markcatate wrote:
Been doing ITF since I was 4. Won blackbelt heavyweight championship last year in scotland for sparring and special technique. Cool


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PostPosted: 11:51 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going to sound really bizarre...but lean against a wall, and squat until you look like you are sitting on a chair (perfect right angles). Do that for several minutes, maybe three times a day, building up the amount of time.

And lots of free squats, knees together / knees apart. Should help build up the strength in your leg muscles. These exercise are also very good for those doing skiing and snowboarding. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been training in Lau Gar Kung Fu for about 6yrs now, and love it. Black Eye

It provides a good mix of basic self defence and body conditioning, right through to more traditional techniques.

Basically thou, find a MA you enjoy, and your gains will be doubled. No point slogging away at something you dont enjoy... Smile

Also, find an instructor you can get along with. My sifu is a very down to earth kinda guy, but lots of MA instructors are jumped up idiots with very little practical training behind them.

Hope this helps, and that you carry on with some kind of training.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
Anyone else with martial arts experience? What's best to do at home to get myself ready for the next lesson?

Have a cold shower when you get home from the gym, or if you can at the gym.

It's hard to do at first but you get used to it and it makes a hell of a lot of difference for the next day in terms of soreness. If you want to do some other exercise around the MA then do bodyweight exercises & cardio (running/swimming etc), and do lots of stretching.

If you enjoy what you're doing in that class then stick to it rather than trying ifferent MA's. Almost all MA's are now sports. The best thing to do in a confrontational situation is run, so practice that. Also, don't put yourself in situations which are likely to be confrontational in the first place.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been doing Kickboxing for about 6 month now and I'm ready to do my orange belt grading next week.

Love it, plenty of styles of situps/pressups to work the areas that you use the most when boxing.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did TKD for a few years, and it's great for fitness and flexibility, also gets your balance pretty good, but as a self defence system you have to train for a damn long time to be able to use it in a fight, and even then I wouldn't say a spinning kick is gonna do you much good after 5 pints in a bar...
I've tried Kickboxing which I found to be a lot better and I could feel a lot more "gains" in a shorter time, but the classes were wank as they were in a gym. If you want good MA classes go to a dojo which does only one thing.
Now at uni I'm doing MMA which I think is the fastest and most physical way of learning cause it covers ground work too, but most importantly you actually take hits. You can be 6th dan whatever but if you've never been punched in the face, that brawler is gonna take you by surprise and you're gonna be crying like a girl Cool
Self defense wise krav maga is supposed to be very very good
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 02 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svedebo wrote:
, but as a self defence system you have to train for a damn long time to be able to use it in a fight, and even then I wouldn't say a spinning kick is gonna do you much good after 5 pints in a bar...


Might work, might take the fella out with one blow - equally might land you in a whole world of hurt.
Could be said of pretty much any technique in any martial art - take MMA for example.....i would say that a double leg takedown isn't gonna do you much good, regardless of beer intake. In fact, i'd rather do anything other than seek grappling range in an actual fight.
IMHO, for fighting there's no better technique than 'the fence', followed by a well practised right-cross. If that fails, i run away, very fast.
All this is comparing apples to oranges though. If you want to be good at fighting, do lots of fighting. If you want to be good at a TMA, do lots of TMA, if you want to be good at MMA, do lots of MMA.

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