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PostPosted: 13:15 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Back Protectors - views ? Reply with quote

Thinking about getting a back protector but what are those pros and cons are them ? Find the padding in the jacket really hard and bulky.

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PostPosted: 13:18 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A proper back protector or one that slides in the back of a jacket?

If sperate ones:
Pro - good for sliding back-first into a curb
Con - a faff to put on and wedge into leathers
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: Back Protectors - views ? Reply with quote

froggy_girl128 wrote:
Thinking about getting a back protector but what are those pros and cons are them ? Find the padding in the jacket really hard and bulky.

thanks

I only see the pro's ... ie: helps to reduce the possibility of damage to spine .. can only be a good thing.

Regarding 'padding out of the jacket' ... this is something which is close to my heart.
Not due to it being unsightly ... but due to the fact I have piled on a few pounds over Xmas, and cannot do my jacket up with a back protector inside the jacket Embarassed

The solution to this is:
Knox Gilet
https://weblog.masukomi.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/giletair400.jpg

I have owned one for years and its well made and easy to put on.
It is also 'low profile' and so doesnt pad the jacket out as much.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: Back Protectors - views ? Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:

I only see the pro's ... ie: helps to reduce the possibility of damage to spine .. can only be a good thing.

Might be worth looking at the cons too, then!.. Such as ‘increases the possibility of damage to the spine’ - as TC suggests happens in some situations.
If we’re talking sliding into a curb on the road I could see some cases where the back protector may cause more damage.

I believe TCs suggestion was that ‘hard’ ones were better in race situations and softer ones for the road, however it’s a lot more down to luck I suspect.

Of course, the real trick is to make some effort into not crashing Smile, if you’re bothered enough to spend money on stopping yourself from getting hurt – talk to your local decent advanced riding group.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soft knoxs back protector in the back of my road jacket which is alot more easier to live with than the like of my offroad gear were l use a Thor impact rig pressure suit which to me is worth its weight in gold after the crashes its gone through with out any damage to me though its not pratical for road use as its a pain to put on/take off.


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PostPosted: 13:45 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look idiotic and are total overkill for road use, unless you intend to rip about like a complete maniac. FFS, when I were a lad we used to have 100mph get offs when our Powervalve 350s seized and bounce down the road wearing normal jeans, trainers and blouson jackets, probably some 15 year old Phil Read lid with a pop on visor too Laughing

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PostPosted: 13:56 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
They look idiotic and are total overkill for road use, unless you intend to rip about like a complete maniac.

A) your bike looks idiotic, best not ride it then. Smile
B) I've heard many bikers being described as riding 'like a complete maniac' - those that aren't probably should be driving cars!
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
A proper back protector or one that slides in the back of a jacket?

If sperate ones:
Pro - good for sliding back-first into a curb
Con - a faff to put on and wedge into leathers


a proper one. The one in the jacket is just too bulky and I can't get it to be comfy - don't know if its just too big for me. I know you can get back protectors that are shorter for ladies.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: Back Protectors - views ? Reply with quote

G wrote:

Might be worth looking at the cons too, then!.. Such as ‘increases the possibility of damage to the spine’ - as TC suggests happens in some situations.
If we’re talking sliding into a curb on the road I could see some cases where the back protector may cause more damage.


Regarding this, (and i may have asked this before, but if so i've forgotten) would the CE-standard back protector jacket inserts not be the best all-round compromise solution then? (No extra faff required to put them on just zip up jacket as usual, provide some impact/abrasion protection, and not be bulky/heavy/thick enough to rip your spine up)
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think the issue that TC found was that if not secured the back protected could ride up hard and catch the back of the riders helmet, wrenching their head forward and breaking their neck.

Not sure that any insert would help here unless the gear it was in was located very securely.

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PostPosted: 16:10 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
27cows wrote:
They look idiotic and are total overkill for road use, unless you intend to rip about like a complete maniac.

A) your bike looks idiotic, best not ride it then. Smile
B) I've heard many bikers being described as riding 'like a complete maniac' - those that aren't probably should be driving cars!


All my bikes do the job they were built for. They're not fanciful nonsense dreamed up by some halfwit sitting in a design studio who has never ridden a bike, or been laughed at for looking like a cross between a Power Ranger and Quasimodo Laughing

Riding like a complete maniac invariably ends in a high speed get off and an extended skittle down the tarmac...in which instance a back protector might be of some use. But then so would a brain, as that would stop said maniac riding like a bellend.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
They look idiotic and are total overkill for road use, unless you intend to rip about like a complete maniac.

But they are hidden under leather jackets etc. ?
As for being overkill ... I think that theory will be arguing against years and years of both medical and 'biker' statistics / facts / experiences etc.
I work with a guy that is paralysed from waist down due to his bike hitting him after coming off at 30mph max.
Why not wear a back protector, if it protects the back ?
Leathers are overkill going by you theory ? I came off at 60+ in jeans and was fine .. but I still wear leathers.


Kickstart wrote:
if not secured the back protected could ride up hard and catch the back of the riders helmet, wrenching their head forward and breaking their neck.

The gilet types are very secure and dont ride up.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started this thread a while back, lots of useful info that people posted!

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=186409&highlight=
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All my bikes do the job they were built for.

They still looks idiotic and you are still laughed up for looking silly riding your idiotic bike. If you chose your bike on the basis no one would laugh at you, you made a poor choice Smile.

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Riding a bike invariably ends in a high speed get off and an extended skittle down the tarmac...

Or so people that don't ride bikes say.
Their brain tells them the people on bikes should be in cars. Brains are good like that!

I can't recall having enough details from what he said - and in another instance (flip front helmets) he never got back to us backing up his claims. However, there probably is something to it, quite possibly what keith mentions.
I'd expect your typical in-gear armour to be a lot less likely to cause damage to your neck in such a situation due to it being better anchored and softer.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

silky666 wrote:
27cows wrote:
They look idiotic and are total overkill for road use, unless you intend to rip about like a complete maniac.

But they are hidden under leather jackets etc. ?
As for being overkill ... I think that theory will be arguing against years and years of both medical and 'biker' statistics / facts / experiences etc.
I work with a guy that is paralysed from waist down due to his bike hitting him after coming off at 30mph max.
Why not wear a back protector, if it protects the back ?
Leathers are overkill going by you theory ? I came off at 60+ in jeans and was fine .. but I still wear leathers.


Kickstart wrote:
if not secured the back protected could ride up hard and catch the back of the riders helmet, wrenching their head forward and breaking their neck.

The gilet types are very secure and dont ride up.


The under leathers armour type aren't so bad. But those massive hump things people have on their backs are just hilarious.

Surviving an accident is about 95% luck. I've known people do serious damage to themselves (and worse) wearing fully armoured leathers...and others (including myself) who have walked away from a major crunch virtually unscathed despite wearing just jeans and a textile jacket.

I've never worn leathers. The only significant injury I've sustained is a broken collar bone, falling off a moped on a dirt track while doing about 10mph. But each to their own.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
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All my bikes do the job they were built for.

They still looks idiotic and you are still laughed up for looking silly riding your idiotic bike. If you chose your bike on the basis no one would laugh at you, you made a poor choice Smile.

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Riding a bike invariably ends in a high speed get off and an extended skittle down the tarmac...

Or so people that don't ride bikes say.
Their brain tells them the people on bikes should be in cars. Brains are good like that!

I can't recall having enough details from what he said - and in another instance (flip front helmets) he never got back to us backing up his claims. However, there probably is something to it, quite possibly what keith mentions.
I'd expect your typical in-gear armour to be a lot less likely to cause damage to your neck in such a situation due to it being better anchored and softer.


The difference between me and the power ranger/Quasimodo/plastica generica mob is I couldn't care less what anyone thinks, one way or the other Laughing I can go out wearing normal clothes confident in my ability not to go sliding down the road. If I get lamped by a bus, leathers wouldn't have saved me anyway Wink
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont give a crap what people think, I still wear a 1 peice leather suit when I go for a ride out, and I wear expensive gloves and expensive boots. At the end of the day, If I come off I want to be as protected as possible. If I slide down the road, I want to be able to walk away without needed a skin graft! If people think I look like a power ranger, I dont really care, im the one that will be laughing when they fall off and have no skin left! Well I probably won't be laughing, as it wouldn't be very funny, but I will be glad that im as protected as I can be!
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
The difference between me and the power ranger/Quasimodo/plastica generica mob is I couldn't care less what anyone thinks, one way or the other Laughing

Your attitude towards what others wear and how you perceive them suggests otherwise.

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If I get lamped by a bus, leathers wouldn't have saved me anyway Wink

But if you get clipped by the edge of the bus they may well do.

The hump isn't a back protector - there's even more question about this if it can cause damage. It is designed for aerodynamics, just as some cyclists have those really long pointy helmets.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:

The under leathers armour type aren't so bad. But those massive hump things people have on their backs are just hilarious.

I was talking about back protectors.. which mostly go inside leathers or at least 'under' clothing.
Not the 'humps'.. which as far as I am aware are not protection... but styling / aerodynamics / fashion.
(didnt they at one point also house water ... like the camel packs .. for hydration ??)

I think we agree then Smile
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Housing water is a newer thing, but not sure it's available on 'consumer' ones - does make sense.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
27cows wrote:
The difference between me and the power ranger/Quasimodo/plastica generica mob is I couldn't care less what anyone thinks, one way or the other Laughing

Your attitude towards what others wear and how you perceive them suggests otherwise.

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If I get lamped by a bus, leathers wouldn't have saved me anyway Wink

But if you get clipped by the edge of the bus they may well do.

The hump isn't a back protector - there's even more question about this if it can cause damage. It is designed for aerodynamics, just as some cyclists have those really long pointy helmets.


I never bothered about the power rangers until people started cross examining me as to why I didn't wear 'all the gear' a few years ago. It then dawned on me that the Rye Sunday afternoon lot (and their ilk) considered themselves to be 'real bikers' and they had a laughable superiority complex over 'lesser' riders.

Back when I started riding, virtually no one wore a leather suit. Classic biker jacket maybe, but only Barry Sheene and Eddie Lawson wore 'all the gear' Laughing I can never quite work out why the safest bikes (modern, mostly sporty) are ridden by people wearing 'all the gear' but genuinely lethal old nails (Kwak triples, assorted elderly Zedasauri etc) are mostly piloted by folk in work boots/oily jeans/bomber jackets. Maybe a mad skillz/huge balls thing Laughing

You learn something new every day. I didn't know the hump back thing was for aerodynamics. Makes them even more ridiculous (for road use). I've always thought they looked dangerous, big lump up there over your upper spine.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 19 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
considered themselves to be 'real bikers' and they had a laughable superiority complex over 'lesser' riders.

Exactly the views most see you dispensing.

Older bikes are often used as you might treat an antique. Very rare to see older bikes being taken to the speeds many riders take newer bikes, possibly taken to similar levels of their own confidence, but if nothing else that’ll likely be a lot slower in speed on the older bikes.
I’ve seen enough people crash older bikes and end up with injuries that could have been prevented with better kit.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 20 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear a separate back protector, leather or Cordura (with armour) jacket/Trousers, boots, gloves and, of course, a helmet.

Other than the helmet, it isn't compulsory, but why wouldn't you?

Injuries due to bike accidents were horrendous in the good old days.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 20 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smooth wrote:

Other than the helmet, it isn't compulsory, but why wouldn't you?

Do you wear a helmet in a car? What about when walking down the street and in every day life?

Neither are compulsory, but if you look at the stats you are relatively likely to suffer a head injury in such situations - a lot of people are seriously injured and killed in such situations where a helmet might have saved them!

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PostPosted: 10:53 - 20 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure you followed my logic. I was saying that helmets are a given, but why wouldn't you wear other protective gear on a motorbike, If only to prevent road rash?

I'll take my chances walking down the street and driving a car.
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