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Jayy
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Helmet Law Reply with quote

Got me thinking the other day, I remember reading somewhere, not sure where, that Sikh's don't have to wear a helmet by law because of their turbans and their religion?

Anyway, my older brother has had dreadlocks since he was about 15, he's 33 now and they're almost down to his waiste. When he came up at christmas (I only see him once a year) I was showing him my bike and I said we should go out on it. We have a few different size lids but none of them fit him because of the dreads.

There's no way, in a million years, he would shave them off, so that's not an option but how can you get round that? If you bought an XXXL lid, it wouldn't be safe to wear.

I think I also remember reading somewhere that rastafarians have a similar right to Sikh's?
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As far as I know the exemption purely applies to Sikhs.

EDIT - think the exemption only applies to Sikhs when they are wearing a turban anyway.

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PostPosted: 13:00 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell your brother to become a sikh.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw a bunch of Sikh guys on R1s tearing through the centre of birmingham without helmets a few months back... I was thinking: a really big helmet, a helmet with a turban on top of it or my personal favourite, a hard shelled armoured turban...

All would have looked better than spilt brains.
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
a hard shelled armoured turban...


Not totally out the question, the police are researching a "ballistic turban"

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8639432.stm

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodney had the right idea. Wink

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PostPosted: 15:01 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suppose he could just ride around with a turban on, who's going to challenge him with todays political correctness madness?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recoil Jay wrote:
Suppose he could just ride around with a turban on, who's going to challenge him with todays political correctness madness?


That's probably what the guys riding through Birmingham were thinking.

And yes, "crash turbans" (Only Fools and Horses style) ftw! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vinyardo wrote:
DonnyBrago wrote:
a hard shelled armoured turban...


Not totally out the question, the police are researching a "ballistic turban"

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8639432.stm

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Haha I like the ballistic turban idea Thumbs Up .

Seriously though the country has gone PC mad, suing the police because they made a riot policeman wear a helmet...

It's like suing a skydiving company for making you wear a parachute...
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen someone cut a hole in the back of his helmet to stick his dreads out through.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've seen someone cut a hole in the back of his helmet to stick his dreads out through.


Surely that defeats the object of the strength of a helmet? It would just crack from the hole outwards if you fell off?
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recoil Jay wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I've seen someone cut a hole in the back of his helmet to stick his dreads out through.


Surely that defeats the object of the strength of a helmet? It would just crack from the hole outwards if you fell off?


In the eyes of the law the helmet must be correctly fitting and securely fastened. That's it. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recoil Jay wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I've seen someone cut a hole in the back of his helmet to stick his dreads out through.


Surely that defeats the object of the strength of a helmet? It would just crack from the hole outwards if you fell off?


You're suggesting that he wraps a towel around his head instead Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recoil Jay wrote:

Surely that defeats the object of the strength of a helmet? It would just crack from the hole outwards if you fell off?

I really don't think he gave a shit to be honest with you. The one and only reason he was wearing a helmet was to avoid the inconvenience of being stopped by every copper he rode past.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know a guy with huge dreads tied up at the back, he has a XXL Caberg helmet (could have been XXXL, cant remember now i havent seen him in ages)
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had dreads for as long as I've had bikes. They're not long but they are fat. Just get him fitted for a helmet with them tied back, if they're dangerously long fold them back on themselves and tie again outside of the helmet.

I have literally no problems fitting helmets, large is fine for me. The thing to watch out for when you get him fitted is uncomfortable pressure from particularly fat or tight parts of the dreads. My old x-lite gives me pain the temples these days from where my dreads have changed shape a bit up front. Worth keeping the lid on for a good 20 minutes to check, 'cos it's fucking horrid!
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
In the eyes of the law the helmet must be correctly fitting and securely fastened. That's it. Wink


I thought they had to:

Comply with British Standard BS 6658:1985 and carry the BSI kitemark or ...
Comply with UNECE Regulation 22.05 or ...
Comply with any standard accepted by a member of the European Economic Area which offers a level of safety and protection equivalent to BS 6658:1985 and carry a mark equivalent to the BSI kitemark.

Whilst it would be marked, it wouldn't "comply" as such. Perhaps that is just for them being sold though, rather than being used?
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again I thought it was the case that any helmet that was was at one time legal, is still legal now? Might be wrong!
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally i fancy one of them half helmet things the yanks where but there not legal here Sad
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A pisspot helmet? I just really wouldnt wanna land my face on the road at say 60mph in the event of an off... can you imagine the damage that would do... Sick
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystery wrote:
personally i fancy one of them half helmet things the yanks where but there not legal here Sad


Closest you'll get is something like this:
https://www.openfacehelmets.co.uk/Scorpion-EXO-100-Matt-Black_390_1BES8.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
A pisspot helmet? I just really wouldnt wanna land my face on the road at say 60mph in the event of an off... can you imagine the damage that would do... Sick


not for high speed but just for college n back or into town etc rather than full face lid, and okie cheer stink wheel i'll have a look at that Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it, a Turban is pretty much low-tech protective head gear. Sikh relgion also suggest they carry a dagger. Yes this is religious, but like most religious things such as food rules, its from practical reasons. The reason for the dagger, is self defence, and the bangle they wear, is basically a knuckle duster. It can certainly be used as such.

So the way I see it, the approach should be to make a helmet that can be religiously recognised as a turban, in the way you consecrate a church.

Whether you can get sikh leaders to go along with this, is another matter.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it's still true, but if you went for a ride in the '80s without a lid, and got caught...and you could convince the cops you had totally forgotten to wear it, you could get away with it!

I had many friends who did this, and did indeed get away with it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 05 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is hilarious! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

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