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tingle
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Someone has brought my Bike Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have just sold my motorbike on an online auction.

The buyer wants to test drive the bike tomorrow and possibly drive the bike away.

However I do not have insurance for the bike and I do not have road tax for the bike. (The bike is currently registered as sorn)

Will this be a problem in anyway if he wants to drive the bike? If it is, what would you advise?

Do i have to get insurance or road tax or something or is this something that the buyer needs to sort on his side?

any advise would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

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PostPosted: 08:24 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he get's caught, it is YOUR problem. Your bike will get towed and you will be responsible for any costs. Simple - don't let him ride it without tax.

Your bike will have sold at a price that reflects the fact that it is currently SORN and therefore, test rides are not possible unless he wants to arrange for insurance and tax prior to test ride and buying it.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you can arrange a test ride on private land, with said land owner's permission, then don't do it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

this person Bought the bike and wants to take it for a test ride.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he was the winning bidder, then he bought it.

If he wanted to check the bike out he should have arranged that before the auction ended.

As long as you have been honest with the description of the bike then it is a done deal. Take his money and transfer the ownership.

Then if he rides it on the road without tax or insurance then it is his problem.

Edit: Have you received the money from the sale of the bike?
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys thanks for the replies.

He has won the auction. He has not paid yet as it is cash on collection.

I stated in the description that the bike has NOT until Oct 2010. But I didn't mention anything about TAX.

I have just sent the buyer an email saying "If you want to ride the bike away then you will need insurance and road tax"

Is there anything else i should mention?

cheers!
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if he wants to ride it away let him its not your problem once hes payed
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is on private land, just say you can ride it with the cash in your hand and if he damages it, the bike is his as you have effectively sold the bike already.

Riding on the road, well if he has bought it ans signed the v5 then I am sure you can't get in any trouble if he chooses to ride on the road and gets caught.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bidding on the bike then asking for a test ride is totally taking the piss. I think at the very least email him and ask him for the cost of the listing fees as a deposit first.

He now has you totally over a barrel and can come and haggle knowing that you won't want to turn down the sale and lose your fees and have the hassle of relisting.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you claimed in your advert that it all worked fine, I'd say it might be reasonable for him to want to check out the gear box worked when ridden etc.
However, yes, I'd make sure he signs the V5 first - that way if anything comes back to you, you're covered.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is an offence to permit someone to ride a bike without insurance.

But if it's his bike, it's up to him.

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
If you claimed in your advert that it all worked fine, I'd say it might be reasonable for him to want to check out the gear box worked when ridden etc.


I agree in a way but I think you have to do that BEFORE bidding. Every vehicle I've ever bought off ebay I've ridden/driven before bidding on it. One person's definition of fine can be very different from another's.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful, if you let him ride the bike away you will comit the offence of not informing the police that a crime is taking place..... Embarassed

He may not have insurance cover even if he has his own BIG bike as insurance will probably be void if it is an untaxed vehicle. I think the cover only applies to road legal vehicles.

I was looking at 125s and shied away from untaxed bikes as it would be a van or trailer job to get it home.
Van hire for a day £50 cheaper than buying a tow-bar and trailer though.

Oh and just a thought..... What if he fucks off with it and his mate drives his car home for him?
You will be skunked then... Shocked
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that if you have cover to ride other peoples bikes, then the bike you ride needs to be insured by the other party anyway.

So, as you're not insured on the bike (from what i remember reading yesterday) then he'd need specific insurance for the bike to ride it regardless of MOT or tax.

In the end, he'd entered into a legally binding agreement to buy the bike. Dont let him ride the bike till you have the money in your hand.
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised at peoples attitudes towards the test riding. Yes you shouldnt need to if you've won it, but who's to say the seller was honest with the description? And it's not as if he has you over a barrel, as it's likely his travel costs will come to more than your ebay fees. TBH I think it's a little snide to not mention that the bike is untaxed as well. Why don't you offer to send him the tax slip reminder code/V5 number, so he can tax it online, assuming he's covering it with his own insurance.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Be careful, if you let him ride the bike away you will comit the offence of not informing the police that a crime is taking place..... Embarassed


There's no offence in not reporting a crime...

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PostPosted: 09:57 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan. wrote:
I'm surprised at peoples attitudes towards the test riding. Yes you shouldnt need to if you've won it, but who's to say the seller was honest with the description? And it's not as if he has you over a barrel, as it's likely his travel costs will come to more than your ebay fees. TBH I think it's a little snide to not mention that the bike is untaxed as well. Why don't you offer to send him the tax slip reminder code/V5 number, so he can tax it online, assuming he's covering it with his own insurance.


...but his travel costs won't refund your ebay costs. I totally agree that I would want to have ridden the bike before buying it but that means you have to see it before bidding. If you really can't do that then you must tell the seller before hand that you will expect to test ride first and you will give a deposit covering the fees.

I agree about the tax though.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose if he really wants to, make sure you sign over the V5 with a time and date first with a signature from him etc.

That way, if he then asks you for a test ride, you shouldn't be aiding and abetting as it's strictly no longer your bike?

But yeah, he's taking the piss.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
I suppose if he really wants to, make sure you sign over the V5 with a time and date first with a signature from him etc.

That way, if he then asks you for a test ride, you shouldn't be aiding and abetting as it's strictly no longer your bike?

But yeah, he's taking the piss.


Taking the piss wanting to test ride a bike Confused
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Paulington wrote:
I suppose if he really wants to, make sure you sign over the V5 with a time and date first with a signature from him etc.

That way, if he then asks you for a test ride, you shouldn't be aiding and abetting as it's strictly no longer your bike?

But yeah, he's taking the piss.


Taking the piss wanting to test ride a bike Confused

When he's already bought it? It's a binding contract.

The only ways out of it are if it's not as described etc.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm buying a bike and you will not let me test ride it, I'm walking away regardless of an eBay Contract, rather 1 bad feedback than the chance of buying a dog.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
When he's already bought it? It's a binding contract.

The only ways out of it are if it's not as described etc.


And how would he know if it not as described unless he test rides it?

It might not even have an cogs in the gearbox for all he knows Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
Walloper wrote:
Be careful, if you let him ride the bike away you will comit the offence of not informing the police that a crime is taking place..... Embarassed


There's no offence in not reporting a crime...

Gaz


I must admit, I thought that failing to report a crime is an offence. Perhaps it's 'serious crime'?

To the OP, don't let them ride your bike whilst you are the owner. To be honest unless they asked and you agreed to allow a test-ride before buying, I'd tell them to 'do one'.

Put it like this, even if you get their name on the log book and say that you sold it so it's not your bike any more if they get caught and tell the cops it's a bike they are test-riding before buying when the cops come to see you they are going to want to know how it is you are still holding the logbook if you claim to have sold the bike.

Don't do it - you might lose the sale, the bike and get nicked for permitting.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Paulington wrote:
When he's already bought it? It's a binding contract.

The only ways out of it are if it's not as described etc.


And how would he know if it not as described unless he test rides it?

It might not even have an cogs in the gearbox for all he knows Rolling Eyes



Imagine buying abike and not taking if for a test ride, you go to ride away and nothing happens when you try to start it. You take a fairing panel off and there is no engine just a cardboard box with 'ENJUN' writting on it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 29 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:


I must admit, I thought that failing to report a crime is an offence. Perhaps it's 'serious crime'?



I've certainly never heard of it, I can't find any reference to it in legislation.

There does appear to be an American offence of failing to report knowledge of a felony. But then that's American...
I stand to be corrected, but I don't believe it to be the case.

As a side note: Permitting no insurance carries the same penalty as riding with no insurance.

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