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PostPosted: 00:25 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: The Battle of Chernobyl Reply with quote

Did anybody else watch this, Wednesday night on Discovery?

I've just watched it and before all I knew about Chernobyl was that it was a large nuclear accident, but never did a realise the sort of scale it was on. The numbers are just mind blowing.

E.g. Currently there is 100kg of plutonium under reactor 3 (enough to kill 100 million people) and it'll take 245,000 years to become safe Shocked

And then there is the stuff people were doing. Like running up onto the roof where seriously radioactive graphite had been blasted out in the explosion, having about a minute to shovel some off the side of the building and then get back down. They said if your eyes started hurting you knew you had been up there too long.

What's also unbelievable is that the Soviets had 2,700 SS-18 nuclear missiles, each one equivalent to 100 Chernobyl disasters. So easily could life on Earth have been (and still probably be) completely wiped out.

Is the Chernobyl disaster the worst disaster man has ever created?

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PostPosted: 00:57 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depleted Uranium

Depleted meaning it's no longer useful as fuel rods, it still is radioactive and has a half life of 4.5 billion years (Yes with a B).

Take some nuclear waste. Machine it into rods of required size. Wrap in a shell of various calibres, anything from tank to A10 tankbuster. Fire that fucker out the barrel and watch it burn and blowtorch its way through any tank or soft skinned vehicle you fire it at.

Your former target and the area around it is now a nuclear waste site, littered with debris and nano particulate dust. In Gulf War 1 they just covered them in sand and hoped they'd go away, now they don't even bother.

Use the stuff in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq again. Have Iraq Invasion 2 and the Tora Bora bombings set off a UK alert after the large volume of radioactive dust gets caught in high altitude wind currents and blows over the UK resembling a leak from a nuclear power plant. Have your troops and their gear get covered in radioactive dust and bring the stuff home to their families. Tell your troops nothing, it's safe because we say is.

Have your corporate owned media and state propaganda puppets say absolutely fuck all.

It's OK it's just a conspiracy theory, it doesn't exist.

Go watch Beyond Treason, particularly the testimony of Major Doug Rokke, formerly in charge of US Army decontamination efforts after Gulf War 1.

Now go join the army.

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PostPosted: 08:21 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember briefly seeing a video about it when I was in my lower years of high school... There was a clip of tree's growing upside down, properly freaked me out. And still does now!

An old BBC video about Chernobyl and the building to 'house' it. Quite interesting. Not sure if it is the same one as what your saw Chives but I was fascinated by it:

https://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5968506788418521112#
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chernobyl has always fascinated me, so much so that I'm hoping to go to Pripyat/Chernobyl some time this year (depending on finances, could be next year).
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: The Battle of Chernobyl Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
What's also unbelievable is that the Soviets had 2,700 SS-18 nuclear missiles, each one equivalent to 100 Chernobyl disasters. So easily could life on Earth have been (and still probably be) completely wiped out


And at the time of Chernobyl, not unlikely that those weapons would have been used.

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PostPosted: 09:46 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuclear power is going to be expanding in use over the next few years as a means to produce "low carbon" output energy. The UK and the USA (and others) have big plans for Nuclear power, with Obama offering loans to those wishing to set up plants. So that means in 40-60yrs time we will have all the nuclear waste to dispose of as plants start to become decommissioned. What the fcuk are we going to do with it all?

Well, I've read into the plans for disposal and then don't look too promising to me. I feel sorry for generations to come who will be the ones who have to deal with all of this shite.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

truslack wrote:
Chernobyl has always fascinated me, so much so that I'm hoping to go to Pripyat/Chernobyl some time this year (depending on finances, could be next year).


Can I come? Laughing

twotakt wrote:
Nuclear power is going to be expanding in use over the next few years as a means to produce "low carbon" output energy. The UK and the USA (and others) have big plans for Nuclear power, with Obama offering loans to those wishing to set up plants. So that means in 40-60yrs time we will have all the nuclear waste to dispose of as plants start to become decommissioned. What the fcuk are we going to do with it all?

Well, I've read into the plans for disposal and then don't look too promising to me. I feel sorry for generations to come who will be the ones who have to deal with all of this shite.


The most worrying thing is if it contaminates water, that water is useless. What happens if all the water on Earth gets contaminated?
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i reading an artical about nuclear waste it gets buried for somthing like 10.000 years with a symble on it
https://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf2kqn9pLOjkAmDRWBQx./SIG=12hmhod3a/EXP=1272705194/**http%3a//www.ysecrets.com/wp-content/uploads/rad-symbol-big.jpg
now bare in mind most people cant read wall writings from 2000 years ago theres a good chance that our language will have changed so much to make it unreadable suddenly the danger sign of nuclear waste can look like a welcoming angel
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

twotakt wrote:
Nuclear power is going to be expanding in use over the next few years as a means to produce "low carbon" output energy. The UK and the USA (and others) have big plans for Nuclear power, with Obama offering loans to those wishing to set up plants. So that means in 40-60yrs time we will have all the nuclear waste to dispose of as plants start to become decommissioned. What the fcuk are we going to do with it all?

Well, I've read into the plans for disposal and then don't look too promising to me. I feel sorry for generations to come who will be the ones who have to deal with all of this shite.


They'll ship it to sellafield for reprocessing and then refuse to take it back, like Japan did to us a few years back, there is also the outback of the Australian desert and plenty of empty useless areas of land all over the world where few people live. China for example buries its nuclear waste in the Gobi granite deserts.

Sod all people live there, it doesn't rain, and it is impossible to cross into that region other than using the government road to get in which as you may imagine is heavily guarded.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive sky plus'd this program, sounds mental gona have to watch it soon!
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone interested in Chernobyl could do worse than check out this site: https://www.kiddofspeed.com/ (although I suspect you may have already seen it).
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sk8wheeler wrote:
Anyone interested in Chernobyl could do worse than check out this site: https://www.kiddofspeed.com/ (although I suspect you may have already seen it).


BCFer Tocakkan went through there too.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sk8wheeler wrote:
Anyone interested in Chernobyl could do worse than check out this site: https://www.kiddofspeed.com/ (although I suspect you may have already seen it).


yes ive seen it but i was disapointed to find out its a hoax
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

twotakt wrote:
Nuclear power is going to be expanding in use over the next few years as a means to produce "low carbon" output energy. The UK and the USA (and others) have big plans for Nuclear power, with Obama offering loans to those wishing to set up plants. So that means in 40-60yrs time we will have all the nuclear waste to dispose of as plants start to become decommissioned. What the fcuk are we going to do with it all?

Well, I've read into the plans for disposal and then don't look too promising to me. I feel sorry for generations to come who will be the ones who have to deal with all of this shite.


They'll dispose (read store) it the same way they have done for the last 50 years...

https://www.nda.gov.uk/ukinventory/sites/LLW_Repository_near_Drigg/
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad4it028 wrote:


yes ive seen it but i was disapointed to find out its a hoax


Is that the same woman who claimed to ride round the world yet had absolutely no evidence, no photos, no passport visa stamps etc?
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:


They'll dispose (read store) it the same way they have done for the last 50 years...

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What you mean sneak it into the food supply?

https://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/adrastea.htm
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a hoax? Sad That's disappointing. I'd like to think she really had ridden around there.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sk8wheeler wrote:
It's a hoax? Sad That's disappointing. I'd like to think she really had ridden around there.


read disclaimer on bottem of 1st page

After "Elena" brought this story to light, everyone that claims to be an expert has come forward identifying it as a hoax or a fraud.

How ironic that although they would label her a hoax and a fraud, she was able to achieve what they could not even dream of achieving. Bringing this issue the world wide attention it deserves.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were not in the clear with that one yet. The concrete lid that got blown off landed on edge partially covering the reactor, and it's slipping all the time. The french are building the worlds biggest moveable structure to put over the top of it, as when it finally falls it's going to chuck out alot more waste than it ever did before!

Interesting to see that the area around the site is now a wildlife reserve.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Take some nuclear waste. Machine it into rods of required size. Wrap in a shell of various calibres, anything from tank to A10 tankbuster. Fire that fucker out the barrel and watch it burn and blowtorch its way through any tank or soft skinned vehicle you fire it at.

Your former target and the area around it is now a nuclear waste site, littered with debris and nano particulate dust. In Gulf War 1 they just covered them in sand and hoped they'd go away, now they don't even bother.

Use the stuff in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq again. Have Iraq Invasion 2 and the Tora Bora bombings set off a UK alert after the large volume of radioactive dust gets caught in high altitude wind currents and blows over the UK resembling a leak from a nuclear power plant. Have your troops and their gear get covered in radioactive dust and bring the stuff home to their families. Tell your troops nothing, it's safe because we say is.

A growing number of children in Fallujah are born with birth defects, according to doctors in the Iraqi city, who claim the cause is toxic material from US weapons.

https://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5763436135046925462&ei=qz6QS7XCJY2n-AbU_uDvAg#

Nothing depleted about 'depleted uranium'

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PostPosted: 14:29 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Some interesting stuff



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PostPosted: 17:09 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick.H wrote:

They'll dispose (read store) it the same way they have done for the last 50 years...

https://www.nda.gov.uk/ukinventory/sites/LLW_Repository_near_Drigg/


So much misinformation is this thread about decommissioning.

To start with, the drigg facility. Low level waste is about as radioactive as your kitchen bin, pretty much all of the general purpose waste from Sellafield (hand towels, latex gloves, old coveralls, paper etc) is classed as low level waste, although it has never been near anything radioactive. The staff never go near anything slightly harmful, it's all done remotely. The low level waste could safely go into landfill, but because of people like you bleating about something they know nothing about it has to be handled in an expensive way.

As for disposal of high level waste, it's ground to dust, melted, mixed with glass, poured into a thick stainless flask, the flask is encased in a hugely thick and safe casing, and then it's sent back to the country that made it. In time it will be stored very deep underground and left there.

Nuclear decommissioning is so highly regulated and controlled that it's the safest form of power generating waste you could imagine.

Also, 97% of the spent fuel from reactors can be reprocessed, which involves 5 years of waiting followed by about 48 hours of activity.


Chernobyl was a disaster, as could be expected in soviet Russia. Three Mile Island was pretty bad. Windscale was politically hot, but barely consequential when you compare it to Bunsfield or the oil slick currently worrying the gulf coast.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an incident reported in the loocal rag yesterday where some waste that had been tagged as LLW meant for drigg had went to local landfill by mistake. Apparently they went and dug up the landfill and actually found the bags.

The point being that the waste that had been sent is of the usual stuff that HAS to go via the LLW route as a matter of course due to the hysteria surrounding 'Nuclear Waste'. The truth was that there is more naturally occuring radiation in a crate of bananas than in these bags.

The cost of doing this stuff is horrendous. The scrutiny we, ahem, 'they' are under at sellafield makes mountains out of things that are on a very small scale.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent some time at the University of Gomel in Belarus in 1999 and 2000. Gomel is 50K north of the reactor and when it blew the wind took the cloud over the city and it snowed ash. The kids I was working with were four or five at the time of the disaster and I got to know many stunningly pretty girls with cataracts.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 30 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you didn't watch the documentary, here it is:

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