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 Posted: 04:25 - 01 May 2010  Post subject: Should we buy the cheapest one? |
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I sometimes wonder, if we should buy the cheapest thing or not.
I sometimes think of price with proper profit.
Products should be sold with proper profit.
If we keep purchasing cheapest things(in any genre), which are usually made in china/korea, without proper profit (or without proper employee salary), proper manufacturers in GB / Japan will be tired.
Or should we keep fighting with cheap price manufacturers forever?
If we start buying products with proper price and proper quality, cheap only brands will be eliminated little by little, and we will be happier in the end.
What do you think of this?
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I think maybe you're being a bit too vague, but it often depends on what you're actually buying.
Personally I don't believe in wasting money on unneccesary expense, but it can also prove to be a false economy to buy the absolute cheapest item (when you can eventually end up buying a replacement because of poor quality).
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| Dazbo666 wrote: | I think maybe you're being a bit too vague, but it often depends on what you're actually buying.
Personally I don't believe in wasting money on unneccesary expense, but it can also prove to be a false economy to buy the absolute cheapest item (when you can eventually end up buying a replacement because of poor quality). |
Thanks for your comment.
For example, I work for a certain electric company which makes semiconductor, and also SD cards too. When I buy SD cards, I always buy one of my company brand which is usually not the cheapest one. Cheap ones are usually non brand ones.
It may be an unnecessary expense, but I want to believe this act will lead to my company sales, and my salary. And it will weaken non brand makers in the long run.
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I bought Ocados cheap sausages and they were great for cheap sausages.... not too fatty beady or salty. I have very expensive taste and tent to like all the highest quality things.... so I was pleased.
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Posted: 08:05 - 01 May 2010  Post subject: Re: Should we buy the cheapest one? |
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| kawashima wrote: | I sometimes wonder, if we should buy the cheapest thing or not.
I sometimes think of price with proper profit.
Products should be sold with proper profit.
If we keep purchasing cheapest things(in any genre), which are usually made in china/korea, without proper profit (or without proper employee salary), proper manufacturers in GB / Japan will be tired.
Or should we keep fighting with cheap price manufacturers forever?
If we start buying products with proper price and proper quality, cheap only brands will be eliminated little by little, and we will be happier in the end.
What do you think of this? |
Kawashima, Japan only has the Koreans to fear, as Koreans ARE in effect Japanese businesses. Many of then big businesses are run by former students of Shingō Shigeo, Karōshi is normal and accepted, suicide is 3 times higher than Japan in Korea and their products ARE good quality. They in effect copied the Japanese model but faster, in the 1970s Honda was rubbish, but improved over time, in the 1990s Hyundais were rubbish they are now excellent, those Hyosung aren't bad looking better than Japanese quality tbh
There is little to fear currently from China as they are not copying the Japanese model, i.e. improvements over time, they just hammer things out cheaply and over the past 15 years there has been little improvement.
My father is a communist who visits Mao every few months (the corpse) and yet he has been so disillusioned by everything made in China, he doesn't buy anything made in China prefering made in Korea or Japan. China buys made in Korea btw because imperial Japan is still within living memory. If they start to copy Japanese manufacturing Japan is screwed.
Japan has the problem of two things, White American CEOs who chase profit who replace the old school Japanese CEOs are dying in 1999 Morita Akio died and the quality of Sony products fell through the floor. I remember in the 1990s EVERYTHING made by Sony was good quality and proudly stated MADE IN JAPAN. Post 1999 Sony became an evil 財閥 . The kind you read about in Manga.
They started playing about with DRM, proprietory formats and curiously post 1999 MADE IN JAPAN labels on their products vanished all for the sake of profits.
The second thing is countries like Japan are phenominally expensive places to live, no seriously phenominal, the UK is the same the cost of living is phenominal. Paying 2600 Yen (£14) for a bowl of noodles in Japan wasn't funny, nor was 10,000 Yen (£56) to stay in a Ryoken.
When just across the water I could get a bowl of noodles for 3200 Krw (£1.50) and expensive hotels were 50,000 won (£22).
Industrialised nations like Japan can use Robots to counter low labour costs, while low labour nations suppress labour costs by supressing their currencies, if energy remains cheap the robots win out.
Problem is it is Siggi's problem he outlined in that in an industrialised society 10% can provide for 100% what to do about the other 90% of people? And thus capitalism (not free markets the two are often confuseD) is actually self defeating as moving factories out of Japan to China means less jobs so nobody in Japan buys the goods etc.
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Japan has a 3d problem, in that Japanese culture has a culture of saving, therefore when a Japanese housewife sees something for 150yen and 100 yen made in China guess which one she'll buy, same thing in the UK. I saw a ton of those 100yen stores in 2009 all over the place. I mean back in the 1990s Japanese people wouldn't even buy rice grown overseas, but it became so cheap people started to buy it.
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A lot of Japanese companies are simply rebranding cheap and inferior products which are made in Taiwan or China.
So, the consumer assumes that by paying the premium for a 'known' brand that they are receiving a better quality product - this clearly, is not the case when the product is merely an OEM'd cheapy.
For example, i spent many years working for a division of Toshiba. Many of the products in the lower end of their range were designed and manufactured by a Taiwanese company. Both companies were selling the same product on the market, the Toshiba unit carried a premium of around £200 extra over the Taiwanese unit - the Taiwanese unit retailed for around £150 - £200, the Toshiba unit for £350 to £400. Aside from a slightly different housing, the electronic and mechanical parts were all exactly the same, the functionality the same etc etc.
Personally, i felt that this really 'hurt' the Toshiba brand, as the customer paid a premium for sub-standard equipment - equipment which was blighted by all the usual quality problems associated with inferior equipment.
So, be aware that just because you are buying a 'branded' product, it does not necessarily mean that the product has been designed and manufactured by the company whose name is on the badge.
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| mistergixer wrote: | A lot of Japanese companies are simply rebranding cheap and inferior products which are made in Taiwan or China.
So, the consumer assumes that by paying the premium for a 'known' brand that they are receiving a better quality product - this clearly, is not the case when the product is merely an OEM'd cheapy.
For example, i spent many years working for a division of Toshiba. Many of the products in the lower end of their range were designed and manufactured by a Taiwanese company. Both companies were selling the same product on the market, the Toshiba unit carried a premium of around £200 extra over the Taiwanese unit - the Taiwanese unit retailed for around £150 - £200, the Toshiba unit for £350 to £400. Aside from a slightly different housing, the electronic and mechanical parts were all exactly the same, the functionality the same etc etc.
Personally, i felt that this really 'hurt' the Toshiba brand, as the customer paid a premium for sub-standard equipment - equipment which was blighted by all the usual quality problems associated with inferior equipment.
So, be aware that just because you are buying a 'branded' product, it does not necessarily mean that the product has been designed and manufactured by the company whose name is on the badge. |
All Nikko-Stirling scopes used to be made in Japan and were superb quality. Then they started having them made in china and the quality went to hell, but they were still branded as Japanese. Now only the top silly-money range are still made in Japan. I no longer purchase Nikko scopes, I sold the last one and replaced it with a Hawke (made in china but under the direct supervision of westerners who own the factory), which is superb quality.
Too many corporations are involved in this kind of deliberate fraud, you pay a premium price for a branded product, only to discover it was made and/or 'assembled' in china. The chinese couldn't make a quality item under their own auspices if their lives depended on it.
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Thanks for your comments!
One of the most famous British manufacturer for me is Triumph.
Whether their bikes are made in Thailand, it's still a British Brand.
I don't stick to where it's assembled.
I really hope that things like Jaguar or Rolls-Royce will not happen
to Triumph in the future.
I hope many of you buy Triumph bikes because it's British brand.
Regarding OEM, it's a sad thing for whom bought a OEM product without
knowing that. He'll be disappointed.
I don't like OEM products either.
As Itchy said, it's impossible to fight with China only with price.
Only competitive Brand will be survive...
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In some cases, yes. And in others, no. e.g. Cheap tea bags are minging. Asda cheap no frills baked beans, however, are very nice. 
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| Posted: 19:17 - 02 May 2010 Post subject: |
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Hi
I would pay more for something of a higher quality for many things. But wouldn't appreciate paying more for the same or worse quality just for a badge (eg, Merc thought that people would only pay 10% more for their cars than others, so heavily cut their costs and the resulting quality).
Some things I just don't even bother with looking at the cheaper alternatives. Too many occasions where the cheaper alternative has been nasty. Corn Flakes for example.
All the best
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I find that it depends on what I'm buying. If it's something that is important and supposed to last, then I tend to buy better quality - known makes/brands that consequently tend to be more expensive, but they often come with guarantees and potential to repair.
If it is a cheaper and more disposable item I will try the cheap alternatives and if I'm happy then I'll continue, if they are disappointing I'll keep buying different ones until I find something I'm happy with. I normally revert to the branded items eventually!
I have an inherent hatred of cheap stuff that is 'tat' - functions once and breaks or fails to serve it's purpose. It's wasteful, however cheap and that is not good for my wallet or my environment. 
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