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Kennypa4
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Adding a K&n filter Reply with quote

I have Installed a K & N Filter to my bandit 600s not really for the reason to gain power as such i just wanted a low maintainance solution instead of buying a standard filter .
Now when i did this the the bike ended up running like a coo . everytime i put a bit of throttle in the engine died a wee bit then took of like stink . So i am running lean Now i was told i would have to re- jet the bike to fix this but i have also been told I can adjust the mix myself and balance the carbs . Anyone any more the wiser that can help me . I have to gear to adjust and balance and have done it in the past .
thanks for any replies in advance
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenny Try the Mix screw first as it sound's as if it gettin to much air now and Balancein them wont harm it as well If this dont work then yes u will need to rejet the carbs mate
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mixture screw is only good for idle speed, and not much more.

Is the K&N filter a direct replacement for the standard one, or have you removed the airbox entirely and gone for pods? The simple replacement of filter within the standard airbox should not have altered the running conditions of your engine that much.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bru wrote:
The mixture screw is only good for idle speed, and not much more.

Is the K&N filter a direct replacement for the standard one, or have you removed the airbox entirely and gone for pods? The simple replacement of filter within the standard airbox should not have altered the running conditions of your engine that much.


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PostPosted: 22:29 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you put the air box rubbers around the carbs/throttle bodies properly? I reckon you have an air leak.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 07 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:09 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dynojet make the jetting kits that are designed to go with K&N filters.

They make a big fuss on the instructions of pointing out that neither the dynojet kit, nor the filter makes any difference to the slow running circuit on the bike. If it is having trouble at idle, it is due to something other than the kit.

As such, adjusting the mixture screw will make bugger all difference.

Raising or lowering the throttle needles may well make a difference. Could be running lean, or might be bogging because it's running rich.

If the one for my VFR is anthing to go by, the taper on a dynojet throttle needle is very different to the standard one. The jet kit also contains stronger springs for above the carb diaphragms which will make the throttle valve open more slowly.

It might be that the increased airflow from the filter is banging the throttle fully open too quickly against the standard spring, making it gulp fuel and bog slightly before setting off like a scalded cat (it's the volume of air moving through a CV carb that opens the throttle valve, the throttle control itself regulates the size of opening that air can pass in through).
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Adding a K&n filter Reply with quote

The k&n filters are more open pore than standard and are supposed to be oiled every 10k miles or so to catch dirt and grit etc. Effectively making it Higher maintenence.
So anyway the last post about it allowing too much air through is worth looking into or something hasnt been put back on right. See if there are kit available for changing to a k&n. If so that's probably what u need
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bru wrote:
lol?


The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.

Kenny.

Have you refitted the old filter to see if the problem goes away?

Does it do it mainly on the overrun or when the throttle is open?

Just to add to Stinks post, make sure that the airbox connections haven't been disturbed. Check that it is still connected to the carbs correctly. Generally check for any air leaks around the carb and airbox boots using a bit of WD40 or similar.

If you have the equipment then just do it. Just synch the carbs and then turn the mixture screw out half a turn. If it doesn't work then it will only take minutes to turn it back.

To adjust the needle just fit a small washer, about 0.5mm thick, underneath the spacer that is already fitted.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Adding a K&n filter Reply with quote

steven_191 wrote:
The k&n filters are more open pore than standard and are supposed to be oiled every 10k miles or so to catch dirt and grit etc. Effectively making it Higher maintenence.
So anyway the last post about it allowing too much air through is worth looking into or something hasnt been put back on right. See if there are kit available for changing to a k&n. If so that's probably what u need


It's 50,000 miles actually, so less maintaince.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Bru wrote:
lol?


The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.



I read it as:

"The mixture screw is only good for adjusting the mixture at idle speed, and not much more."

I thought it was pretty obvious in the given context?
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Smegballs: quite correct. I was too quick in replying, and did not make my point accurately, but meant just that. I guess I was not as helpful as I intended to be.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
I thought it was pretty obvious in the given context?


Obviously not. There are a fair number of posts on here where people confuse the two different screws.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Bru wrote:
lol?


The mixture screw adjusts the air / fuel ratio on a closed throttle. The idle screw adjusts the tickover speed.

Kenny.

Have you refitted the old filter to see if the problem goes away?

Does it do it mainly on the overrun or when the throttle is open?

Just to add to Stinks post, make sure that the airbox connections haven't been disturbed. Check that it is still connected to the carbs correctly. Generally check for any air leaks around the carb and airbox boots using a bit of WD40 or similar.

If you have the equipment then just do it. Just synch the carbs and then turn the mixture screw out half a turn. If it doesn't work then it will only take minutes to turn it back.

To adjust the needle just fit a small washer, about 0.5mm thick, underneath the spacer that is already fitted.


Hi it is only the filter i have replaced no jets as yet.
I have a carbon can Co Exhaust fitted and baffle still in, no air leaks . I Put the K & N back on today balanced the carbs and also adjusted mixture it got a good bit better but still had a flat spot at 5000 revs not as bad as it was. I Ended up taking it out again and going back to standard set up carbs to factory again think i will leave well alone to be honest re jetting is a bit over kill. I just wanted the filter as i heard they were good and low maintainance .
Thanks ever so much everyone who replied

Ps running like a dream again with Standard set up just seems to be the filter thats the problem
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