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PostPosted: 20:05 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Aftermarket exhausts on FI. Reply with quote

Hey...
Looking over the 2010 "sports" bikes..
Obviously with fuel injection, what happens with say end can replacement? Does it affect it.

Also looking at this bike.. with its hideous excuse for an exhaust..
https://www.yamaha-motor.co.uk/Images/2010-yamaha-YZF-R125_BWC1_colour_studio_001_prv_tcm46-325895.jpg
obviously highly frowned upon here...but how simple with about £400 is it to get a high level exhaust/hangar on the rear foot pegs?

Obviously a longer pipe would need to be added, but would this cause power loss/exhaust trouble?

Just curious Wink
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My SV650 now idles lower with the aftermarket endcan, also has a nasty habit when warm of if you rev it very slightly to move in town, it can cut out due to really low idle.

Can't be arsed to turn it back up.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you asking if a high end can will change power out put?

or

if after market end cans effect fuelling?
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sPiTfYa wrote:
are you asking if a high end can will change power out put?

or

if after market end cans effect fuelling?


Neither Laughing

Looking for info on the stupid o2 sensors, pipe lengthening, back pressure issues... just the general "you can do this but bear this and this in mind"

Like its possible, all things are, but what are the things to look out for when adding a pipe+can to the end of the bike... nothing about performance...im not too hot on performance mods.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts on FI. Reply with quote

If it's an official one, then you will often get an official map for it - for instance I got the KTM Akrapovic map put on my 690 after I got the exhaust on ebay.

Oh and that's not a sports bike, it's a faired tarty's commuter Wink.

If it's not official, such as your desire for a possibly bespoke system, you may need some kind of fi controller - however not sure they make them for small bikes as such.

The offer of a play on my bike's still open if you're down this way some time if you want to try at least a properly 'sporty' commuter Razz.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Re: Aftermarket exhausts on FI. Reply with quote

G wrote:
If it's an official one, then you will often get an official map for it - for instance I got the KTM Akrapovic map put on my 690 after I got the exhaust on ebay.

Oh and that's not a sports bike, it's a faired tarty's commuter Wink.

If it's not official, such as your desire for a possibly bespoke system, you may need some kind of fi controller - however not sure they make them for small bikes as such.

The offer of a play on my bike's still open if you're down this way some time if you want to try at least a properly 'sporty' commuter Razz.


Well, lend me a sofa for the night, i'll drive down Laughing
Hence the "sports" notation Wink ... its like i was looking on the 'tube and people have added cans etc..

this one is standard Evil or Very Mad (skip to 1:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAELNL693Q0

then the leo vince Rolling Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PV0PmIym38

then this Shocked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37gRd6HaD0&feature=related
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Fueling will depend on the fuel injection system. Some will not have a lambda probe so can do nothing to compensate, some might only use the lambda probe for feedback at some revs and go to mapped settings at high revs.

Longer exhaust will likely work better at lower revs and worse at higher revs.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds pants.

Get an RS125 if you're really going for the sports look, near equal fuel economy if ridden conservatively and you don't look like you're pretending you're on an R6.

Also, much more fun if you do want to give it a go.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
That sounds pants.

Get an RS125 if you're really going for the sports look, near equal fuel economy if ridden conservatively and you don't look like you're pretending you're on an R6.

Also, much more fun if you do want to give it a go.


Noooo you have me wrong.. using this as an example.
I have my lovely 125 commuter, and trust me i'd buy an R6 if i knew it wouldnt kill me.
Also.. i tend to not like 2 stroke sports options... my commuter is a 2 stroke, but with equal reliability with a 4 stroke... i'd happily see this past 40k without a rebuild where as the RS is recommended 10k.

Anyway... just an example, could have used the current GSXR, say you wanted a yoshi can, big tri oval one... obviously the fuel injection system would be roughly the same as a car in regards to sensors... just wondering about the pros and cons, thats all Smile
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I fitted my Termi's the fueling at low revs was much improved, rather than it just chugging along until the revs finally picked up. Now it pulls like a train in any gear.

Plus they look like the dogs proverbials and sound like Thor himself, which is obviously the main reason for getting aftermarket exhausts... Cool
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah-ha, in that case yes, G is right.

If it's an Akra/Yoshi/well known make, you may very well be able to get a new map put on designed for that specific exhaust.

If you had a PCIII or similar, there are plenty of maps out there for all kinds of exhausts.

It wouldn't make that much of a difference I imagine, like I said my SV just idles a little lower.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free, my sofa is always available - though it should be easily do-able in a day - I got down to the south coast, had a few minutes in the air, sat around for ages in a car, rode slowly to Hastings, had BBQ, rode back and still was home a decent chunk before sunset Smile.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Feel free, my sofa is always available - though it should be easily do-able in a day - I got down to the south coast, had a few minutes in the air, sat around for ages in a car, rode slowly to Hastings, had BBQ, rode back and still was home a decent chunk before sunset Smile.


But your machine is capable of more than my bikes tops speed...in 1st gear Neutral
Takes me decades to get anywhere.. would use the car anyway...as motorway + 125 bland mobile wont work, plus the noise gets on my tits.

Saying that..where are you based..
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in Reading - M4 J12 - even the 125 could manage it, but yes a car would seem more sensible. I've often popped down to brands hatch for a day, bike, car and van.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I'm in Reading - M4 J12 - even the 125 could manage it, but yes a car would seem more sensible. I've often popped down to brands hatch for a day, bike, car and van.


180 mile round trip for me...thats one tank of fuel..nearly £80 Laughing
Might bike it instead... Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 04:42 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
G wrote:
I'm in Reading - M4 J12 - even the 125 could manage it, but yes a car would seem more sensible. I've often popped down to brands hatch for a day, bike, car and van.


180 mile round trip for me...thats one tank of fuel..nearly £80 Laughing
Might bike it instead... Laughing Laughing


At £1.20-1.25 a litre, that is:

Somewhere between 12.25 and 12.75 mpg...


WTF do you drive Shocked ?
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:


At £1.20-1.25 a litre, that is:

Somewhere between 12.25 and 12.75 mpg...


WTF do you drive Shocked ?


Rover 75 1.8T with a really thirsty engine, yes i know it needs looking at Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should hopefully be down at the South Coast on a weekend at some point in the next few weeks - if so will be riding down, but not using the bike in the day. Also, conveniently, will only likely be down on a day with decent weather.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I should hopefully be down at the South Coast on a weekend at some point in the next few weeks - if so will be riding down, but not using the bike in the day. Also, conveniently, will only likely be down on a day with decent weather.


Sounds awesome...especially if it is warm Thumbs Up
Also any damage no matter how minimal I will pay for Cool
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
then this


Then this Rolling Eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlAx0cKziKo&feature=related
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam_Y_93 wrote:


Shocked thats possibly the best sounding 125 ever... i'd love that can on a V twin.. [/sarcasm]

I take it that required no mods other than fitting/positioning of the end pipe..?
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the r125 uses a 1.5" link pipe (I believe) so im guessing he got hold of a disc saw and a welder.

I hope he done it out of shear boredom, and had a spare pipe and end can and doesn't actually think its any good

there is also one with a cbr exhaust fitted, which I quite like the idea of an underseat exhaust but its still shocking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC-3J3c1E4&feature=related
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam_Y_93 wrote:
well the r125 uses a 1.5" link pipe (I believe) so im guessing he got hold of a disc saw and a welder.

I hope he done it out of shear boredom, and had a spare pipe and end can and doesn't actually think its any good

there is also one with a cbr exhaust fitted, which I quite like the idea of an underseat exhaust but its still shocking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC-3J3c1E4&feature=related


It looks good, but it sounds like my lawnmower..
So he simply took an end can + link pipe...cut the original and welded that one on?
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im guessing so, end can doesn't come off on an r125 so must of done
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam_Y_93 wrote:
Im guessing so, end can doesn't come off on an r125 so must of done


Awesome...will inform mate of that, should make his mower sound better Laughing
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