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easyrider63
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 06 May 2010    Post subject: 33bhp biggest engine that can be restricted. Reply with quote

can any body tell me the biggest engine that can be restricted down to 33 bhp without affecting the power to weight ratio to much .
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 06 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything can be restricted to 33bhp.

I think if your looking for a 33bhp bike to go fast, i would pick one that is 33bhp or as close to as possible.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 06 May 2010    Post subject: Re: 33bhp biggest engine that can be restricted. Reply with quote

easyrider63 wrote:
can any body tell me the biggest engine that can be restricted down to 33 bhp without affecting the power to weight ratio to much .


Probably an RS125.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
Anything can be restricted to 33bhp.

I think if your looking for a 33bhp bike to go fast, i would pick one that is 33bhp or as close to as possible.


That aint quite right you can restrict a bike like a 1000cc fireblade but it would be over the power to weight ratio, so would still be illegal.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fitzy wrote:
ThatHornet wrote:
Anything can be restricted to 33bhp.

I think if your looking for a 33bhp bike to go fast, i would pick one that is 33bhp or as close to as possible.


That aint quite right you can restrict a bike like a 1000cc fireblade but it would be over the power to weight ratio, so would still be illegal.


Huh?
If it's actually restricted to 33BHP, that's the power. The weight of a blade will be far higher, so the power to weight ratio (power divided by weight) will be lower (therefore it will continue to be legal as the power to weight ratio stated is a maximum figure to prevent people putting 33BHP on something weighing little more than a bicycle, for the intent of going faster)
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0.16 kW/kg is the legal limit.

25kW is the other legal limit (it's over 33.5BHP), so based on this the motorcycle you are riding, if it puts out EXACTLY 25kW, is allowed to weigh no less <- (edited as i put the wrong word) than 156.25kg. However, the definition of the motorcycle (i.e. whether fluids, tools, etc are included or not), will influence this. And no, it's not crystal clear in law because the 25kW restricted law was a badly thought out piece of rubbish that should never have been passed in its current form. Regarding the "maximum", i'd say it's more a case of how slow do you want to go?

I can't see a logical reason why any engine size can't be restricted down. It may make them run badly, but hey, anything's possible.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
0.16 kW/kg is the legal limit.

25kW is the other legal limit (it's over 33.5BHP), so based on this the motorcycle you are riding, if it puts out EXACTLY 25kW, is allowed to weigh no more than 156.25kg.


I may be misunderstanding this, but surely it wouldn't be allowed to weigh less than 156.25kg, as power to weight is power divided by weight, i.e, less weight = more kW per kg
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You are right. It is a limit on power to weight ratio. More power or less weight could put you over that limit.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:32 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which means there are potentially people riding within their restriction of 33BHP but still breaking the law on the smaller 2 stroke bikes because they are so light?

I doubt anyone has ever been charged with this though.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
Which means there are potentially people riding within their restriction of 33BHP but still breaking the law on the smaller 2 stroke bikes because they are so light?


Possibly, but that would mean taking both fanciful power claims and fanciful weight claims as true. Only real power you can measure is rear wheel power (but that isn't really the net power output the legislation specifies, not the homologated power), and does the weight limit apply to wet or dry weight?

Early RS125s managed 28.5hp at the back wheel in the road tests (newer ones have less power). Claimed dry weight was 115kg, but you can probably add 20kg to that for a realistic wet weight. So 28.5hp (21kW) with 135kg weight means 0.155kW/kg. Nicely inside the limit.

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're interested my lad has a Bandit 650 that he rode restricted & it was OK I guess. It made a hell of a difference when I took out the carb restrictors after he'd "Done his time".
The advantage of doing this is that you get used to riding a decent sized bike & you can modify it as you like over a period of time, which he did, so that when you do finally get to remove the restrictors you have a bike that is how you like it as you'd have owned it for a year at least.
Otherwise you wind up buying two bikes & lose out twice on depreciation.
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