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Wilson1234
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Why Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mhXJiHluOg&feature=channel

Did this happen?

I'm guessing it's something to do with braking with the front breaks too hard? If not, wtf :l
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was wearing inferior trainers.
A R6 will only allow dudes on them.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is using the front brake, something you should not do on a bend!

The other thing is he's one lucky lad to still have a left foot. Did you see his trainer fly off Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Agree with the above. If you look at the slow motion replay it does look like he is hand is moving on the brake just before the front end goes walkabout.

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PostPosted: 12:27 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The front wheel seems to turn into the corner, which from experience is what it feels like is happening when braking and being lent over.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the 2 foot black streak on the road would indicate he locked up his front wheel.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

he counter-counter steered Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WetSparks wrote:
My guess is using the front brake, something you should not do on a bend!


what about trail braking Idea


he's lucky his bike go under the rail and off the cliff!!! Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it possibly be with having sand on the road ?

You might not be able to see it from the distance the camera is at and the poor quality of the video but when he hits the barrier, a big cloud comes up which might suggest that there is a small layer of sand could have blown across the road.

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
Could it possibly be with having sand on the road ?

You might not be able to see it from the distance the camera is at and the poor quality of the video but when he hits the barrier, a big cloud comes up which might suggest that there is a small layer of sand could have blown across the road.

Just a thought.


This. I would suggest a lack of grip for whatever reason.


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WetSparks wrote:
My guess is using the front brake, something you should not do on a bend!


what about trail braking Idea




You can do it, but it's certainly best kept somewhere where you know what the grips levels are going to be, so you know how much brake you can get awake with. Hence why it's mostly done to extremes on track.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the amount of similar vids posted by the same user, it seems to be a popular spot to go and bin your bike.
I'd guess it's probably down to them being 'Mercans, and therefore not used to corners.

As for trailbraking, it's typically used after scrubbing off the majority of speed in a straight line and then from point of turn in up to the apex and should a be smooth and progressive ease off from the straight line (heavy) braking.
Proponents of trailbraking argue that it a) can sharpen the turn in, and b) maintain a more constant steering angle as the forks decompress less than when braking in a straight line and then getting back on the gas again. Personally, i feel point a is more a result of the application of point b.
Twitching the front brake mid-corner (possibly due to target fixation on the chap stood the other side of the armco) is not trailbraking, it's just stupid - because it causes sudden weight transfer which can overload the front tyre and cause it to lose grip.
IMHO, trailbraking is best left for the track (and for racing gods)and is not really an ideal road riding technique.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trees make a little hard to see, but if you pause the clip between him clearing the foliage and actually lowsiding it, his body positioning is pretty shocking, properly crossed up and as a result, leaning the bike far more than is necessary, that and dragging the front brake into the corner = fail Neutral
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That could have been a lot worse.................did you see how close his trainer came to going over the cliff. Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 12 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:

IMHO, trailbraking is best left for the track (and for racing gods)and is not really an ideal road riding technique.


so its more of a gradual release rather then applying mid conner
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PostPosted: 06:06 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can clearly see the cloud of tire smoke, then the black streak of where the locked the wheel up with the brakes if you go through the vid.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

replayed it a few times..

looks like he chopped the throttle (closed it quickly) mid corner, overloading and crossing up the front and in a vain attempt to do god knows what he then grabbed the front brake, but by then he's already lost the front end.

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PostPosted: 08:59 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He rode through a pile of detritus on the wrong side of road edge marker white line (coz he cut the last bend). This would have stuck to the tires just in time for him loading them up for the next bend.
In both corners he is in totally the wrong position for stability and vision.
He was wearing WHITE trainers which is a big No No when wearing black trousers with sliders on.

Yet another Flying Trainer Vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGsd-hFdUc&feature=related

and he is a Mercan as was stated. So has absolutely no business pretending he knows how to set up for and negotiate a bend.

It is a valuable clip in the fact that it illustrate beautifully how set up and position is essential for doing 'twisties' properly.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Jj2NhDYq4&feature=channel

Another Mulholland Highway/side 'Camera Clip Corner'
This wanker has Mother Nature's Body Armour on. Taaaawaaaht. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

he turned the handlebar in the wrong way. Instead of counter steering he turned the bars into the corner direction.
Fuck man, how can u own an R6 and not even know what counter steering is? what a waste.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opeth wrote:
he turned the handlebar in the wrong way. Instead of counter steering he turned the bars into the corner direction.
Fuck man, how can u own an R6 and not even know what counter steering is? what a waste.


Doh!

The front end washed out. You can counter steer (as you put it) the wrong way, that's how you straighten the bike back up after you've gone around the corner.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

do people just film people failing round that corners, there is quite a few vids of it.

where 27 cows to give his theory on how these bikes conner them selfs etc Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why



Is this thread coming up red? I can't see any neg rated posts in here?

Seb what do you mean by "properly crossed up" regarding his body position?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
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Is this thread coming up red? I can't see any neg rated posts in here?

Seb what do you mean by "properly crossed up" regarding his body position?


There was a spam post in the middle, now deleted it seems.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I deleted a spam post.

Note that tyre smoke and skid marks are common when a bike is sliding on it's side with the wheels still in contact, regardless of the reason for the initial loss of traction.

I am tempted to suggest that he either just leant to far or quite possibly something ground down a bit too hard, levering one or both wheels up a bit. He did seem to be leaning quite a lot, but wasn't really hanging off at all.

It's quite likely that as the front wheel lost traction his hands would pull it to one side due to his body position etc.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 13 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
he is a Mercan as was stated. So has absolutely no business pretending he knows how to set up for and negotiate a bend.

American or a merkin? Cue George W Bush (watch out for the pun) voice "I'm proud to be a merkin"
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