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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: CHAIN/TYRE CLEARANCE Reply with quote

Hi all,
im currently getting my latest project ready for mot'ing, but just noticed what might be an issue.
the tyres on the bike have only done about 100miles, so are pretty new, but looking at the back tyre, it seems too wide.
in fact im convinced its too big, as there very little room between the chain & tyre, like a few mm's!
would this be an issue for mot tester?
ignoring the obvious handling issues. (i havnt riden it yet).
i will of course look for a new back tyre, but just wondering if it will pass like it is, as i havnt budgeted for tyres this month & funds are pretty tight.
any advice?
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just put it in for the mot and DONT SAY A WORD to the tester.

if the chain is clear of the wheel it`s clear of the wheel.
if in the next couple of months you see signes of the chain rubbing the tyre sort it.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have enough meat on the edge of the tyre to shave the edge down a bit for extra clearance, you will never miss the few mm unless you ride to the limits, only shave the tread not the sidewall mind.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
the chains not actually touching the wheel, but if you look very closely at the tyre, there are signs that it probably did rub on the tyre for the 1st few miles.
why the previous owner fitted such a wide tyre is beyond me. Rolling Eyes
i guess i'll just keep schtum when i drop it off for testing.
then look into getting a new tyre.
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assumes this is a Mito. Could be that you have an o-ring chain on and this is wider than standard.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a standard width tyre?

There is only a few mm clearance between my centrestand and my tyre btw, it passes MOTs Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 14 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need much clearance. A few mm will do .
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike is it and what size tyre is it?
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
should have said, its the CCM604sm, & the trye fitted is 160/60 ZR17, so im guessing it should be 150/60?
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GAZ
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The TZR pit bike has got literally mm of clearance between chain and wheel. It's never caused a problem.

Clearance is clearance, Weather it's 1mm or 1inch.




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PostPosted: 14:23 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
The TZR pit bike has got literally mm of clearance between chain and wheel. It's never caused a problem.

Clearance is clearance, Weather it's 1mm or 1inch.




Ben


If we were talking swingarm side to say a can, that is fine as there is no lateral movement ... but we are talking about a chain that will flail side to side .... Confused
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as there are no signs on the tyre that the chain has been chomping away at it, Then it cant be failed.

The MOT tester can only test it as he sees it. If it's not touching the tyre when it's standing in his test bay, Then it cant fail.



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PostPosted: 14:37 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chains don't flail side to side very much at all. They follow the roatating plane of the sprockets quite closely.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
As long as there are no signs on the tyre that the chain has been chomping away at it, Then it cant be failed.

The MOT tester can only test it as he sees it. If it's not touching the tyre when it's standing in his test bay, Then it cant fail.



Ben


An MOT tester is quite within his rights to play with the chain as he feels fit!! ... if he thinks it is too close for comfort, then he will fail it ... that is what MOT people are there to do!! Rolling Eyes

Pete. wrote:
Chains don't flail side to side very much at all. They follow the roatating plane of the sprockets quite closely.


Mine certainly don't!! Very Happy

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Under load, there won't be much side to side, but on the overrun they flap about like nobodies business!! Razz
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:

An MOT tester is quite within his rights to play with the chain as he feels fit!! ... if he thinks it is too close for comfort, then he will fail it ... that is what MOT people are there to do!! Rolling Eyes



I work (Worked) in an MOT Station.

Our boys couldnt fail my mates car on the rear tyres rubbing in the arches. Because while the car was on the ramp, The tyres were not touching the arches.
However, when there were 3 people in the back of the car, The rear tyres would rub the inner arch as they were too wide for the car.

It passed it's MOT because there was no tyre/arch contact at the time of test.

Even though there was evidence of tyre/arch contact, by looking at the inner arch.
It can only go down as an advisory.


Simples.





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PostPosted: 15:54 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
right youse lot have got me worried now!
so im gonna postpone the mot for another week or so, till i look into getting another rear tyre & also test run it, just to see if the chain/tyre clearance does cause any issues.
fortunate thing is i have 3 choices for getting the mot done.
1 : 5miles away, doesnt really give a f*ck, as long as its fairly safe, has a reputation for being very lenient & doesnt do much bike repairs so wont say you need work done just to increase his payment.
2 : about 12miles,quite strict, guys a bit of a pr*ck but known for being very knowledgable about bikes & if its passed an mot there, itl pass anywhere!.
3 : not actually an mot tester, but for the price of the mot + a tenner, he wil tell you if its going to pass (actually uses no.2 guy for certs) so if its gonna fail, its only a tenner, unless you want him to do the work.
think i'll bung it into the 1st one & see how it goes,
cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:


Simples.





Ben


If the MOT dude suspects it is an incorrect tyre, then he can fail it on that ... it is a dead give-away if there is 0.000001mm clearance isn't it!! Wink
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wont fail unless it's physically touching the tyre at the time of the test.


FFS, We've had people pull into our carpark at work in 2 separate cars. A good example of this was a couple of BMWs a few months ago.

2 BMW 3 series motors pull in, One has 4 bald tyres and is for an MOT. The other has 4 decent tyres, and not in need of MOT.

The customers jack up both cars, and swap all 4 wheels on the cars, IN our carpark!

The BMW then has it's MOT, Passes, And when it's backed out of the center, The customers then Jacked the cars up again, And swapped the wheels back over!



If it's okay at the specific time of the MOT, Then it will pass.




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PostPosted: 16:47 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
It wont fail unless it's physically touching the tyre at the time of the test.


FFS, We've had people pull into our carpark at work in 2 separate cars. A good example of this was a couple of BMWs a few months ago.

2 BMW 3 series motors pull in, One has 4 bald tyres and is for an MOT. The other has 4 decent tyres, and not in need of MOT.

The customers jack up both cars, and swap all 4 wheels on the cars, IN our carpark!

The BMW then has it's MOT, Passes, And when it's backed out of the center, The customers then Jacked the cars up again, And swapped the wheels back over!



If it's okay at the specific time of the MOT, Then it will pass.




Ben


That is not the same thing!! Rolling Eyes

Look at point 4 in Method of Inspection column ...

https://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m1s04000101.htm
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, my point exactly.

"Check for signs of fouling on tyres"


If there is no signs of the chain hitting the tyre, I.E, Chomping in the tyre. Then it will be fine providing the chain isn't physically touching the tyre when the bike is inspected.

The inspector cant push the chain across, and then go "ooh look, It touches the tyre".

He's not allowed ti.



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PostPosted: 17:11 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Yes, my point exactly.

"Check for signs of fouling on tyres"


If there is no signs of the chain hitting the tyre, I.E, Chomping in the tyre. Then it will be fine providing the chain isn't physically touching the tyre when the bike is inspected.

The inspector cant push the chain across, and then go "ooh look, It touches the tyre".

He's not allowed ti.



Ben


the gov.uk wrote:
4. Check for signs of fouling of tyres on other components.


OP wrote:
if you look very closely at the tyre, there are signs that it probably did rub on the tyre


Surely that is a big fat fail right there (presuming the MOT guy is doing his job properly?!?! Confused).
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, Didn't see that last part what the OP wrote.

Guess it depends how obvious the chewing is on the edge of the tyre.




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PostPosted: 18:45 - 15 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, seems to be a bit debateable then,
there is signs of rubbing on the tyre, from when the tyre was new i guess, but i had to look at it very carefully, a few times, comparing the other side before spotting it.
guess its up to the examiner, think i'll take a risk, its only 30 quid for the mot, whereas its around 90 for a tyre.
cheers,
GAZ
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