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PostPosted: 20:50 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they mean is don't wring it's neck with high revs.
Break it's back with low revs and hi load.
Generally smooth operation no erratic frantic gas on gas off.

Sedate is the word. Smile

Probably not dead dead necessary for a modern engine but with risk it for the sake of a few tank fulls of petrol?
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to get the dealer to service the bike but it is simpler if there is a fault covered by warranty.
If someone else services then they will not have access to recalls etc.

The way machines work you get most faults initially then the machine should be pretty reliable for a long service life until things strat to wear out. Then you may have to overhaul/replace.

So the 500 mile service could be important especially for the re-sale.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I broke mine in pretty much as hard as I could. Loads of revs and loads of engine braking. Have a read around the net, loads of conflicting information about it.

But fundamentally, you pays your money you makes your choices... Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I followed this guide for breaking my bike in, and Ive not had any problems. It basically says the first 200 miles are crucial for break in, and you should do alot of hard accelerating and hard engine braking to get the engine to bed in properly, then ride it like its stolen for the next rest of the 500 miles! I honestly dont think it matters how you break in a new bike, but I just went off this guide!

https://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the stingiest motorcycle dealer in the world?

I've never bought a brand new vehicle without having the shakedown service thrown in for free.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Is this the stingiest motorcycle dealer in the world?

I've never bought a brand new vehicle without having the shakedown service thrown in for free.


Don't ever buy an Aprilia then! They charge for 1st service Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, no worries mate Thumbs Up

As for running in, there are 2 schools of thought...

Run it in gently = will last longer overall

Run it in hard = wont last as long, but will make more power.


Its a hotly contested subject, but i know a few engine builders and they all use the 'run it in hard' method - with good results on the dyno, and no significant loss of reliability.

The most important thing with a 2 stroke is not to let it sit at constant revs for too long - vary the revs, be gentle when its cold but otherwise give it some work to do, thats the only way everythings going to bed in properly.

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PostPosted: 14:29 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told on my Rieju the run in was 500KM (bout 325 Mile I think). I have been taking gently so far, but I am still a newbie motorcyclist so taking it easy and learning the ropes anyway. I am still doing that cling on to the handlebars and look terrified at 40mph thing at the moment. Its going to be a while before I really open her up on any level Smile
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arf silly thing is I regularly did over 40 on a push bike through stone bridge park underpass. Totally not... Hmmm confident on something I don't have absolute control over.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 22 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Is this the stingiest motorcycle dealer in the world?

I've never bought a brand new vehicle without having the shakedown service thrown in for free.


Why do so many people assume this?

A service is a service, if you don't want it, don't take it and accept the consequences (if there are any).

Personal preference is just ignore the run in altogether. If it's up to temperature, I'll ride it like I normally would, especially on a 2 stroke. There is only the piston to run in, why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?

500 miles is overkill.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Is this the stingiest motorcycle dealer in the world?

I've never bought a brand new vehicle without having the shakedown service thrown in for free.


Why do so many people assume this?

A service is a service, if you don't want it, don't take it and accept the consequences (if there are any).

Personal preference is just ignore the run in altogether. If it's up to temperature, I'll ride it like I normally would, especially on a 2 stroke. There is only the piston to run in, why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?

500 miles is overkill.


Likewise IT SHOULD BE FREE.

As for this FANTASY WORLD statement YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA of how many parts are required to connect the piston to the rear wheel. Let alone the, the head bearings, the brakes & ALL THE OTHER PARTS that make up A NEW MOTORCYCLE Rolling Eyes
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"Running a bike in" means EXACTLY THAT. A NEW BIKE IS NOT JUST AN ENGINE. The same applies to total rebuilds Shocked
The 1st service is also a vital safety check, its not just an oil change & new plug, as some VERY NAIVE PEOPLE (spanners) seem to think. Every nut & bolt has to be checked & re torqued. If thats all a 1st service was, the dealers would be having an all out war to get a monopoly on them. sales of oil, spark plugs & filters would be a real money spinner. Most if not all franchises are re embursed the labour costs by the manufacturers anyway (or add it into their OTR retail price, they say they don't but its true) as they are with warranty claims. Shocked
So DEMAND a free service & EXPECT TO PAY for parts, & ask them to return your old spark plug/s before you leave you pride & joy in their hands. Idea
Usually I've found that doing this results in "The plug/s didn't need replacing sir".
Instead of "We changed the plugs, that'll be £££ sir" Well can I have the old 1/s back then? (aged 16 & naive as fook) "No sorry it snapped when we removed it". Oh OK then, thanks Confused **Grrrrrr that won't ever happen again** & it hasn't.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

strag wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Is this the stingiest motorcycle dealer in the world?

I've never bought a brand new vehicle without having the shakedown service thrown in for free.


Don't ever buy an Aprilia then! They charge for 1st service Thumbs Down


so as Honda, cost me £60 for my first run-in service
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crafty wrote:
A surprising amount of ranty crap


Might I just indicate to you that Chives here has rebuilt more than his fair share of bikes and engines?
It may be worth reading what the people you're chiding for ignorance have actually done, as opposed to assuming that they're morons because you don't share their views.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run in procedure for my kart engines (125/250 2 Stroke):

Rebuild.
Two laps (1.5km?) at 6k revs to get the temperature up.
Done. Hammer down.

I'd run in a motorbike in (ish) the same manner too.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crafty wrote:


Likewise IT SHOULD BE FREE.

As for this FANTASY WORLD statement YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA of how many parts are required to connect the piston to the rear wheel. Let alone the, the head bearings, the brakes & ALL THE OTHER PARTS that make up A NEW MOTORCYCLE Rolling Eyes
It seems we have another FRESHMAN from "Mushroom College"
Can I add you to my toolbox? Very Happy Just to cheer me up whenever I've got a gearbox to strip & rebuild. Wink
"Running a bike in" means EXACTLY THAT. A NEW BIKE IS NOT JUST AN ENGINE. The same applies to total rebuilds Shocked
The 1st service is also a vital safety check, its not just an oil change & new plug, as some VERY NAIVE PEOPLE (spanners) seem to think. Every nut & bolt has to be checked & re torqued. If thats all a 1st service was, the dealers would be having an all out war to get a monopoly on them. sales of oil, spark plugs & filters would be a real money spinner. Most if not all franchises are re embursed the labour costs by the manufacturers anyway (or add it into their OTR retail price, they say they don't but its true) as they are with warranty claims. Shocked
So DEMAND a free service & EXPECT TO PAY for parts, & ask them to return your old spark plug/s before you leave you pride & joy in their hands. Idea
Usually I've found that doing this results in "The plug/s didn't need replacing sir".
Instead of "We changed the plugs, that'll be £££ sir" Well can I have the old 1/s back then? (aged 16 & naive as fook) "No sorry it snapped when we removed it". Oh OK then, thanks Confused **Grrrrrr that won't ever happen again** & it hasn't.


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PostPosted: 16:12 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started using my piston, I tried running it in gently. If the piston goes up and down too fast at first it won't last very long. After the piston's been used several times it starts to get more stable and eventually can be used at higher speeds for increased periods of time without blowing.

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 24 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read Craftys post out loud, with emphasis on the capitalised words.
Comes across as a nob.




S'ok Crafty i'm a nob too. I JUST DON'T SHOUT IT. Razz


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