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PostPosted: 20:50 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

I've got the Dover to Calais ferry booked giving me just over a week on the Continent, heading out Thursday morning, back midday the following Saturday. These were booked on a whim early in the year for £20 return so if I don't go it's not the end of the world.

Previous tours have involved big motorway miles but this time a lack of time and cash puts me off that sort of caper. With little money available I was thinking of going to France, somewhere I've only ever been to on the way to somewhere else. The region around Calais had the reputation for being a bit dull so I'm prepared to do a hard day's riding if necessary (say 350 miles) to get clear of there but... any recommendations for nice regions that can be reached bimbling along doing 150-250 miles a day in the above time frame and preferably no mileage for a couple of the days.

I thought Le Mans might be a nice place to visit (this around a week before the 24hr starts so should be alright for camping). I don't want to do much, just potter around as cheaply as possible and take it easy.

Where's good? I suppose the Pyrenees is just about doable but might be better to save that for another time when I have more time and money.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Re: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

Route Napoleon leading to Cannes is excellent.

It needen't be expensive either as there are some decent campsite around. You could base out of Antibes and explorer the French riviera.

Eat at supermarkets any buy local beer and wine and you'll be fine.

It is one of the great motorcycling roads:

https://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Re: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Route Napoleon leading to Cannes is excellent.

It needen't be expensive either as there are some decent campsite around. You could base out of Antibes and explorer the French riviera.

Eat at supermarkets any buy local beer and wine and you'll be fine.

It is one of the great motorcycling roads:

https://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html


Looks very interesting. I had read about this a few years ago and then forgotten about it. Wonder if I have enough time to do it though in eight days. Getting across France is a bit of a mystery to me TBH. When I have tried before (keeping of the toll motorways to save cash and boredom) my progress has been extremely slow.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd try for Chamonix area if the weather's OK.
I've done it in a long weekend once, stayed just two nights, one day ride there, one day back...
Plenty of campsites round there and not too busy between ski season and French holiday season (=August).

Loire Valley isn't far, haven't been there, but could be more relaxed than.
Pyrennees is too far in a week IMO.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the Alps?

I did Day 1) Hook of Holland > Amsterdam > Nurburgring
Day 2) Nurburgring > Bern (base of the Alps and some great roads.
Day 3) Bern > Aosta via back roads (including St Bernard pass) and further on.

So getting to the Alps presumably should be doable if you don't mind spending some cash on fuel and time on the bike- I was wild camping which saved some money. While I say 'time on the bike', I still got decent time walking around Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Nurburgring etc - but I was setting up camp at 10pm or later in some cases, so a pretty full day!
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Re: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

Swim41 wrote:

Looks very interesting. I had read about this a few years ago and then forgotten about it. Wonder if I have enough time to do it though in eight days. Getting across France is a bit of a mystery to me TBH. When I have tried before (keeping of the toll motorways to save cash and boredom) my progress has been extremely slow.


I went from Calais to Dijon on night, then from Dijon to Antibes taking route napoleon, so its not that bad. I try to use main roads where i can, but do take the autoroute sometimes to save on time when necessary. its not overly expennsive for a few hundred miles and its 1/2 price for bikes.

I based myself at a campsite which had a decent swimming pool and them when to explore Cannes and Monaco over a couple of days.

Menton is a beautiful little town just the other side of Monaco.

Or Eze has a great campsite up in the hills.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
What about the Alps?

I did Day 1) Hook of Holland > Amsterdam > Nurburgring
Day 2) Nurburgring > Bern (base of the Alps and some great roads.
Day 3) Bern > Aosta via back roads (including St Bernard pass) and further on.

So getting to the Alps presumably should be doable if you don't mind spending some cash on fuel and time on the bike- I was wild camping which saved some money. While I say 'time on the bike', I still got decent time walking around Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Nurburgring etc - but I was setting up camp at 10pm or later in some cases, so a pretty full day!


I did a similar route last year. Calais-Tournai-Nurburgring-Coblenz-Trier-Lake Constance-Interlaken-Montreux-Dijon-Calais. Enjoyed it immensely, but at the moment just in the mood for pottering really. I've heard good things about the Dordogne and the Loire as Doggone mentions above.

Got a bit of a cheesy romantic imagine, pitched up in some rural campsite drinking cheap red wine and eating a Boursin baguette in the afternoon sun. Possibly to the sound of accordion music! Only joking!
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Re: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
I went from Calais to Dijon on night, then from Dijon to Antibes taking route napoleon, so its not that bad. I try to use main roads where i can, but do take the autoroute sometimes to save on time when necessary. its not overly expennsive for a few hundred miles and its 1/2 price for bikes.

I based myself at a campsite which had a decent swimming pool and them when to explore Cannes and Monaco over a couple of days.

Menton is a beautiful little town just the other side of Monaco.

Or Eze has a great campsite up in the hills.


Interesting, cheers! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i'm reading this correctly, you're after a holiday on the bike rather than a biking holiday.
If so, I'd suggest either Normandy with Caen as a base, Brittany with Brest or Rennes as a base, or the Loire Valley with Tours as a base.
Normandy - excellent if you're a bit of a WW2 history buff, plus places like Bayeaux and you're never far from the coast.
Brittany - a very different and unique part of France, not too dissimilar to Cornwall, but with better food.
Loire valley - chateaus, lazy days boating on the river etc Tours is a very lively city with a fairly high student poulation, fantastic market squares etc.

Of the 3, i'd probably go back to Brittany - it's like France, but a bit different (language, culture etc). Great coastline with charming little seaside towns like Perros Guirec.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 17 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole area around Val D'isere and Briancon, Gap and just south is very nice, plenty of proper mountain roads and nice quiet places and undoubtably good weather. It's only 1.5days ride down there really.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur with MisterGixer!

Some fantastic roads and sights in Brittany, just keep away from the more touristy areas to keep the cost down.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grazoid wrote:
I concur with MisterGixer!



And so you should!
Have picture of mistergixer and chums doing biking catalogue poses at the Cote d'Armor:

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For extra points, guess which bike is mine........ Wink
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it the Fazer?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

[walker]

It's good, but it's not quite right.

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PostPosted: 22:47 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
If i'm reading this correctly, you're after a holiday on the bike rather than a biking holiday.
If so, I'd suggest either Normandy with Caen as a base, Brittany with Brest or Rennes as a base, or the Loire Valley with Tours as a base.
Normandy - excellent if you're a bit of a WW2 history buff, plus places like Bayeaux and you're never far from the coast.
Brittany - a very different and unique part of France, not too dissimilar to Cornwall, but with better food.
Loire valley - chateaus, lazy days boating on the river etc Tours is a very lively city with a fairly high student poulation, fantastic market squares etc.

Of the 3, i'd probably go back to Brittany - it's like France, but a bit different (language, culture etc). Great coastline with charming little seaside towns like Perros Guirec.


Spot on assessment. Had a bit of a crap time recently, want to get away for a bit but not overdo it with a full on Alps/Pyrenees trip. Brittany and the Loire both appeal and easily within lazy pottering range.

I'll have a look in the library tomorrow for Lonely Planet/Rough Guide for France and do a little research.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 18 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTH - just doing my job. I love France and les frogs, and have nothing but good memories of all my biking trips over there.
(Apart from when a wasp flew down the neck of my jacket whilst riding in Brittany. Evil or Very Mad)
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PostPosted: 06:09 - 19 May 2010    Post subject: Re: France when limited by time and money Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Route Napoleon leading to Cannes is excellent.

It needen't be expensive either as there are some decent campsite around. You could base out of Antibes and explorer the French riviera.

Eat at supermarkets any buy local beer and wine and you'll be fine.

It is one of the great motorcycling roads:

https://www.beyond.fr/map/mpnapol.html


I did this road from Gap to Grenoble last year and was not overly impressed by it. Maybe it was becuase the previous day I had just done a fantastic road from Italy to France over the Alps.

It is just over 600 miles to South of France from Calais, so possible to do in a couple of days, or you could stop somewhere along the west coast of France - less mileage and therefore more time to relax.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 29 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
[walker]

It's good, but it's not quite right.

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I'd hazard that red one being a thundercat?

This is going on the basis it looks a little quirky and is "similar" to the fazer.

Well at least closer related than a srad.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 30 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:

I'd hazard that red one being a thundercat?

This is going on the basis it looks a little quirky and is "similar" to the fazer.

Well at least closer related than a srad.


Wrong model, wrong manufacturer - it's a VFR800.

Strangely, the Fazer owner (my brother) now owns a '98 R1, and not being a BCFer is completely unaware of its legendary reputation.

C'mon guys it's not really that difficult a competition.
I'll give you a clue, look at my username, look at the bikes. That should be a fairly big clue.
The other big clue is that we've now ruled out 2 of the 3 bikes, so by a process of elimination.......
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 30 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the guesses were jokes - haha
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 30 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You at least hope they where jokes...
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 30 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^The first one was, the second i'm not too sure of.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 31 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
^^The first one was, the second i'm not too sure of.
Wink


Nice slice of fail there Embarassed

The lights looked a little familiar so I'm just going to explain it away as getting confused with my mate's bikes (who has a vfr and a thundercat).

Obviously a bike ID freudian slip, yeah obviously........ Confused
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 07 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd stick to Normandy/Brittany. Or maybe think about the Belgian Ardennes. Another alternative is the Auvergne..I worked down there last year and was very impressed with the area. Puy de Dome area is lovely, but again might be a bit far for a short trip.

Going down to the Alps etc., stunning though it is there, would be pushing it a bit in the time allowed. I worked down that way last year and was very impressed with the scenery!

Autoroutes- outside of the Frenchie holiday season, and providing there's one going your way(!), they can be a smooth, efficient and relatively empty way to get to you to somewhere worth exploring...but watch out for the Radar traps; they're everywhere. On average one every 10km, and they'll be VERY well hidden(up embankments, behind hedges, in ditches etc etc), plus the fixed ones, which are clearly visible if you know what to look for; usually there'll be a speed camera sign, which 9 times out of 10 means a camera within 2-3km. If you do get stopped, they'll only accept cash, and if you're 30km/h over the limit you'll be in deep poo...guess how I know Wink
There's often a bike or a Subaru Impreza parked up ready to chase if you're over...

Oh, and top up with fuel whenever you can! French garages often close for 2-3 hours at lunchtime and shut at latest 19:00. Sundays can be a bugger too! They often have automatic pumps with credit card payment, but unless you're VERY lucky it won't accept anything other than Carte Bleu cards!! The Autoroute service stations are open 24 hours usually.

Otherwise, lovely country and despite the reputation, very friendly if you at least try and speak the lingo(I exclude Paris from this!!), they love bikes, and most campsites welcome bikers.

There's a reason the French don't travel very much...they've got everything within their own borders...
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