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Acemastr
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: What do you do... Reply with quote

Ok, scenario:

You're having a spirited ride on B roads, you're going fairly fast and loving it, then you look at the next corner and it has little stones/pebbles/crap on it, obviously by the time you can see the crap you're already starting to lean the bike..


I'm after peoples experiences, basically as I'm new to a bigger bike and every time I see crap on corners I tense up and take some really odd lines around them.

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PostPosted: 07:59 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look up the road, relax on the bike, keep a neutral throttle and try not to lean it more than you have to. Job's a good'un

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PostPosted: 08:28 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just try and let the bike go round the bend as smooth as possible..
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the missus on the bike going through cheddar gorge one time, hot weather, good roads, was loving it.
We came round this one S bend going downhill and I suddenly saw a little mound of gravel and dirt that had been collect in the middle of the road by passing traffic. I brought the bike almost upright, the front wheel slipped and car shot round the corner. We missed the car by quite a bit but the situation would have been very different if the wheel slipped.
Not sure where I’m going with this but what I do know is that over time you learn to recognise roads that could potentially could have bad road surfaces and ones that don’t, you can’t base everything on that but it helps.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just relax all the controls and coast around whilst still in gear if that makes sense. So you don't speed up but don't slow down too much.

Also scrub off as much speed as you can before the bend.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other than good obs, you can mitigate this risk to some extent by taking what I personally consider to be the correct line throught the corner - which can be simply summarised as the widest line, not apexing the bend as they do on the track.

By doing this you will be running on the tarmac area where the outside tyre of cars would run, which is less likely to have a lot of stones as they will have brushed them away.

The really nasty concentrations are generally in the middle of the lane, or on the central dividing line, which should be stayed clear of.

As a semi aside, I find that mostly you get this buildup of stones after a recent heavy rainfall, so if it has done that in the last couple of days, just be extra aware of the potential issue.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally I try to keep my focus on the road’s vanishing point/horizon – if I can’t see very far, I will have slowed down to take the corner/change (ie a dip, possibly a large vehicle, etc).
So hopefully there shouldn’t be a lot of speed to bleed off.
I will also try to to stick to the outside of the bend, which can give you a decent chunk more visibility around the bend, giving you a bit of room to go faster or to take a line which avoids possible hazards.

That’s if I’m making a bit of effort anyway Smile - the rest of the time, just staying smooth is a good start.

If conditions are good and you have got good tyres, you may be surprised how much grip you do have to use the front brake harshly while cranked over – as an idea I once crashed racing because I braked hard enough mid-corner that I stoppied (unfortunately as you might expect the rear landed VERY crossed up, which saw me and my bike sliding in to another bike.)
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be looking through the corner and try to stand the bike up a bit more and maybe adjust my line through the corner to avoid as much crap as I can.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

straighten the bike up and lean off more so you can carry on going round the corner.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride really relaxed on the bars, to avoid 'excess rider input'

I found that I crashed on sand because I shut the throttle off really quick, instead of maintaining it smoothly.

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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one thing to do.....clench Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be smooth through the corner, gradually reduce your speed, and reduce lean angle.

DONT Slam the brake on.
DONT let off the throttle suddenly
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
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If conditions are good and you have got good tyres, you may be surprised how much grip you do have to use the front brake harshly while cranked over – as an idea I once crashed racing because I braked hard enough mid-corner that I stoppied (unfortunately as you might expect the rear landed VERY crossed up, which saw me and my bike sliding in to another bike.)


Sorry for the change in subject but this comment has just made me wonder.
In a trackday/race situation what happens if you hit someone elses bike. Is it a case of "you break it you fix it"?
What if its a bit unclear as to who is at fault or both parties disagree? Can this be insured against?
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris750 wrote:


Sorry for the change in subject but this comment has just made me wonder.
In a trackday/race situation what happens if you hit someone elses bike. Is it a case of "you break it you fix it"?
What if its a bit unclear as to who is at fault or both parties disagree? Can this be insured against?


There's no written code, generally, if you take a bike on track, and someone crashes in to you, then its hard luck, you know the risks when going on track. You sign a disclaimer before a track day, saying that if you are injured or someone damages your bike on the track, then you pretty much can't do anything about it. Sometimes the person will be nice and pay for the damages, but this rarely happens.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clench the saddle very hard between my buttocks as if I'm trying to lift the whole bike up off the road with my arse. Laughing

Don't look at where the gravel is, look at where the gravel isn't. That's where you want to go, that's what you should be looking at.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 02 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris750 wrote:

In a trackday/race situation what happens if you hit someone elses bike. Is it a case of "you break it you fix it"?
What if its a bit unclear as to who is at fault or both parties disagree? Can this be insured against?

It's a case of 'you get broken, you fix it'.
I felt a bit better in the situation because the rider I hit had basically (not intentionally I presume) run Jon off the track in a previous race that weekend, causing him to crash.
The previous race weekend Jon had managed to knock into me twice, causing me to crash - so actually I ended up worse off in our love-triangle as the other two managed to cause a crash while staying upright!

Motorsport IS dangerous and you do have to sign disclaimers to this affect. It's sad that people occasionally try and sue other racers for accidents - this sort of thing could easily make all racing unfeasible in future in the UK.
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