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PostPosted: 18:34 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: 10000rpm Reply with quote

I have a 50cc 4 stroke automatic moped. It doesn't do anything fast but if i can get a good bit of down hill i can hit 50. But it starts to make an awful noise if it goes over 10000 rpm. 10000 and under its fine.

Is it a problem or is it just that the engine cant cope at revving that high?

Newbish question i know but i'm still learning. Cheers.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

my one is special Very Happy
Not really, its slow! Sad
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least you have got a rev counter. My 125 has de-restricted gear-change markings on the speedo, which i've had to adjust with pieces of flourescent stickers.
I think..i'm no expert mind you..if the engine sounds whiny then change down/up a gear.
On my bike it's a case of as soon as things start to rattle/vibrate i change gear.

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob yarrr wrote:
all 4 stroke 50's are slow

you should be happy with 50,most 2 strokes don't get that

my mates 50 struggles to 35


What? You talk Rubbish, i don't know any Geared 2 stroke 50 that wont reach 50, hell, Aerox's and Speedfights can pull 50.

Secondly, your mates is RESTRICTED Laughing

Also, my 50 doesnt have a Tacho either, and its geared Rolling Eyes Just change up when it gets to a high whine/stops accelerating. You learn the speeds to typically change up in.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob yarrr wrote:
WILL YOU STFU BEING A SMART ARSED CUNT.

YOU'RE BIKES SHIT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A REV COUNTER AND ITS GEARED.

HOW IS A 4 STROKE 50cc RESTRICTED ? THERE NOT RESTRICTED BECUASE THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH POWER TO BE RESTRICTED. STUPID FUCKING WANKER


Steady with the Caps Lock there m'boy.

If its unrestricted and struggles to reach 35, then its wank, cheap chinese 4 stroke peds (Lifan somethings) will reach a good 40 eventually.

Its a naked, so has a tiny front light, and very little room for a Dash. CG doesn't have one either, i see you owned one of them Wink
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob yarrr wrote:
yes like most 4 stroke peds.

CG's are shit learner bikes.


Bit controversial, one of the BEST learner bikes is shit? So what do you suggest?

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PostPosted: 19:54 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In response to the original poster:

If you're going to keep your engine near it's maximum power and highest revs possible for a long time in it's highest gear what you ought to do is get a different sprocket for it minus a couple teeth. It shouldn't change your top speed much (in fact getting there ought to be slower) but it will be better for your engine.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
In response to the original poster:

If you're going to keep your engine near it's maximum power and highest revs possible for a long time in it's highest gear what you ought to do is get a different sprocket for it minus a couple teeth. It shouldn't change your top speed much (in fact getting there ought to be slower) but it will be better for your engine.


Sprocket? He's riding a scooter.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob yarrr wrote:
will you stop attention seeking and grow up.

you've challenged me 2/3 times on here,all of them you've been proved wrong by senier members.

Be quite,stop causing arguments and wasting space that could be used for helping the OP.Didn't see you post anything usefull so shut up.


And every time you woman out Wink

Who are these 'senier' members? I don't think its possible to be quite either.

And what did you say that was helpful? 'You're lucky to get 50' then some blatant lies? Real helpful Rolling Eyes

OP - Pretty much you're reaching the limits of the 4 Stroke 50cc engine, designed to give low down grunt and reliability, not all out speed. Im guessing 50mph is never a speed you'd reach without a downhill stretch? Then its basically because you're forcing the engine to run at a higher RPM then it should (Although 10,000rpm seems a bit low, might be wrong, whats the highest you normally see?)

Basically, if the speed/rpm is higher than you usually see, the noise etc. is because the engine is being forced to run faster than it should. Could end up damaging the engine, but if its only now and then, i'd say enjoy the speed Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Sprocket? He's riding a scooter.


You appear to have uncovered my lack of knowledge regarding scooters. What drive mechanism do they use, a belt of some kind? Rear wheel directly connected to the drive shaft from the gear box?

Either way, I'm sure there's a relatively uncomplicated way to change the gear ratio, even if it's to get larger wheels / tires for it and pump them up really hard. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Sprocket? He's riding a scooter.


You appear to have uncovered my lack of knowledge regarding scooters. What drive mechanism do they use, a belt of some kind? Rear wheel directly connected to the drive shaft from the gear box?

Either way, I'm sure there's a relatively uncomplicated way to change the gear ratio, even if it's to get larger wheels / tires for it and pump them up really hard. Laughing


I'm fairly sure scooters are Shaft Driven, so im fairly sure its pretty hard to change the gearing.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digitalize wrote:
I'm fairly sure scooters are Shaft Driven, so im fairly sure its pretty hard to change the gearing.


I see, in which case a larger wheel might solve the problem Laughing Or is it a smaller wheel? Whatever.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
Digitalize wrote:
I'm fairly sure scooters are Shaft Driven, so im fairly sure its pretty hard to change the gearing.


I see, in which case a smaller wheel might solve the problem Laughing


Thats about as useful as the GREEN powerbands Rolling Eyes He obviously wants a thicker rear wheel.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't you change the rollers to get more top speed, giving you a similar effect to changing the sprockets on a "proper" bike.

In answer to the OP. The sound you're hearing is the sound of the powerband hitting supersonic speed. I suggest a more beefy powerband. Possibly a red one up from the standard blue. (I don't think 4 strokes would be able to take advantage of the pink powerband.)

HTH. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have an SS50. Didn't have a rev counter but I estimate it revved to at least 12000rpm. My vision used to blur at around 55mph Laughing Was an exceptional bike for a 50 and could do over 200mpg if you pottered about on it. Wish I still had it. I did about 8000 miles of hysterical high revving and it never did it any harm.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digitalize wrote:
Thats about as useful as the GREEN powerbands Rolling Eyes He obviously wants a thicker rear wheel.


Ok, so I'm a bit confused about it, but the size of the wheel is basically like the last cog of the gears. It has a massive effect. Even tire pressures will affect that kind of thing.

Oh, and a pink powerband is totally what would solve his problem Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 16 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But it starts to make an awful noise if it goes over 10000 rpm. 10000 and under its fine.

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Is it a problem


Am i the only on to think that the problem is that its a SCOOTER??? I am suprised that you can get 50mph from a 50cc 4t scoot Shocked ...Fair do's to you, thats pretty good going Clapping
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sigh* And it had been so long since I had gotten involved in a flame war.

rob yarrr wrote:
CG's are shit,learner bikes.


CGs are fantastic learner bikes. In fact for what they are they are fantastic bikes full stop, especially round town.

I would suggest that someone who doesn't know that they need to change gear without a dial telling them so probably isn't a very good rider.


Back to the OP, 50cc bikes and peds tend to make nasty awful whinny noises. It's difficult to tell over the net weither you have a problem or it is just generic small bike nastiness.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digitalize wrote:
I'm fairly sure scooters are Shaft Driven, so im fairly sure its pretty hard to change the gearing.





Thats about as useful as the GREEN powerbands Rolling Eyes He obviously wants a thicker rear wheel.


Scooters are Belt Driven AFAIK, a shaft drive to suck up all of the tiny amount of power scooters have. I think Vespas may have been shaft drive at one point but not sure.

Alexio was right on you premise that scooter are shaft driven (larger wheel not small) and is not a silly Idea.

Changing the final drive on a chain driven bike is simple, different size sprockets. On a shaft drive bike you will either need to alter the gears themselves or mess about wit the Hub/Transfer box/Dif (whatever it is called) a different size wheel (if one is easily available) is probably the easiest way to change the gearing but may cock up handling.
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