2002 r6 wont start

[UKKILLBILL]

hi there, iv got a 2002 r6 and had it for 6 months. rides well and one day i came home turned it off then i had to move the bike and when i try to start it again it wont start. its like your tyring to start it up with a kill switch on, ie no turn over , nothing , just dead. the light are on bright as hell so i know there life in my battery. when you leave it for awhile it starts up fine but when you go for a ride out and turn the key key off then try to start it up again, its like someone has put the kill switch on. so far iv changed a new starter soliniod and a second hand cut out relay and a second hand side stand switch and it stills does it. starts up fine when its cold every time but as soon you go out on it some time it starts and sometime it wont but most of the time it wont, but when you jump start it it start up fine even with a small push on my own. any ideas anyone please...iv also stripped the kill switch to bits and cleaned it up best i could, i undid the throttle cables and undid the tie clip for the wires and cleaned all the contacts on the starter switch as well
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[gray84]

i had the exact same problem mate. do you have an immobilizer?
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Road bike - 2002 YAMAHA R6(SOLD) 2008 YAMAHA R1(SOLD) 2007 APRILIA SXV 550(SOLD) 2007 SUZUKI GSXR 600
Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[UKKILLBILL]

yeah i have a imobilizer m8. but it still jump starts so i ruled it out ?
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[gray84]

yes mine still bump started... i changed all you did too. the immobilizer is cutting something in the starter.... TRUST ME i had this problem for 7 months after it all got very wet. me and my mate stripped the immobilizer off the bike and it was perfect...

70% of the time it would start off the button.
i used to short the solanoid under the seat if it wouldnt start and no one was round to give me a push....
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Road bike - 2002 YAMAHA R6(SOLD) 2008 YAMAHA R1(SOLD) 2007 APRILIA SXV 550(SOLD) 2007 SUZUKI GSXR 600
Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[UKKILLBILL]

ill have a go stripping it down and clean all the contacts and at work ill put a cover over the bike and see how it runs. but i can have the bike for a few days dry and it still does it, then again i do wash it alot lol. thanks m8 for the info.

anyone out there still can give me more info as more is good
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[gray84]

my bike got very wet ONCE.. ever since that day even in the summer it had this problem. i changed it all that you have changed and 1 day i sat there and heard a very slight click click click come from the immobilzer. i checked all the cables and made sure it was all dry with no joy.
i cut the immobilizer out the wiring harness and the bike was perfect.....

ill give you £20 if it isnt the immobilizer
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Road bike - 2002 YAMAHA R6(SOLD) 2008 YAMAHA R1(SOLD) 2007 APRILIA SXV 550(SOLD) 2007 SUZUKI GSXR 600
Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[UKKILLBILL]

ill try that matey, you been a great help so far
can i just take it off
without cutting it to bits?
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[gray84]

not very easy as its wired into the loom in a tricky way so pikeys cant remove it.
i had a good look and found mine connected into 3 places so i removed it and connected the orininal wires into the correct place and it fired up each and everytime.
im no wizz with electrics but a good sit and look helped and i could then see where i had to remoce it...
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Road bike - 2002 YAMAHA R6(SOLD) 2008 YAMAHA R1(SOLD) 2007 APRILIA SXV 550(SOLD) 2007 SUZUKI GSXR 600
Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[TUG]

[UKKILLBILL]

ill give it ago fingers crossed not wires crossed

thanks again for your help hope this solves it all
thumbs up for you matey
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[Grimnir]

I had a kinda similar problem on my long term (i.e. 176,000 mile) ZZR600. Sometimes would not start from the starter but would happily bump. Or put it in gear and rock it back and forth a little then it would start from the button. Stripped starter motor and found the brushes had worn so much that the brushes did not always make contact properly. Clean all the kack off and all was well

[UKKILLBILL]

its strange with this but it starts all the time when cold and most of the time when its warmed up it wont but easly starts when you give it a little push for a jump start. today im going to try to undo the immobilizer without cutting wires so if it wasnt that i can put it back together again, then ill try to stripped the starter motor,

cheers again people for ideas
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[UKKILLBILL]

i have a datatool duo on bike so hopefully its easier to take off than the standard alarm
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[UKKILLBILL]

too many black wires coming out of the data tool and most of them going into the loom with two wires from the datatool joining one wire in the loom. cant figure out how to join which wires to what
plus three wires coming from the datatool towards the fuel tank and anther two towards the flashing led light. iv only figured out those going towards the tank is power to the led and to unlock the mobilizer sound. those going to the loom are two paired wires from datatool going in to one wire each and four wires joining four wires. if only there were colour coded as im not a electrican.
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[gray84]

i cant remember how mine was connected but sounds the same as yours pretty much. just try and unconect any wires that go into your loom..
my bike was the same mate it wouls start everytime in the garage when i go get on it but it would only die when i was out.. if i was in a fuel station or something. always when i was alone or just made to look a prat as my bike wouldnt start...
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Road bike - 2002 YAMAHA R6(SOLD) 2008 YAMAHA R1(SOLD) 2007 APRILIA SXV 550(SOLD) 2007 SUZUKI GSXR 600
Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[UKKILLBILL]

dont know why but iv put every thing back neat and tidy , infact better than it was and its alright now, i got it up to 88 c hot and it starts up fine, i let it cooled down to 44 c hot and started it up and at 55c 65c 75c 85c it stop and started every time very strange so tomoz on the way to work fingers crossed when i get there it will start. see when i tidy under the seat i took off the relays and cdi unit taped all the wires good and cable tied things good and then put back relays and fuse case and cdi unit. makes me wonder if the cdi unit was playing up or was not push in right so we will see tomoz cheers gray84 for your time
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[gray84]

glad to help and hope it stays fine.. sounds like some sort of dodgy conection then....
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Dirt bike - 1989 HONDA CR80sw(SOLD) 1996 YAMAHA YZ125(SOLD) 2006 yamaha yz250(SOLD)

[Tattoo Artist]

i had a similar issue, multimeter out, couldnt find anything at all, got absolutely sick of it, went back a day later, disconnected each wire one by one just to clean them and when i did the last one and tried it, problem solved, all id done was found either some water or a loose connection,

some good advice in here

[UKKILLBILL]

some how it feels iv been some where in the twilight zone
now im showing my age
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[UKKILLBILL]

dam electrics after nearly a week gone past and now it didnt start up again when i got home, this time i left it in gear and i pulled the clutch in to start it up and dead as a door post some how i feel there is a circuit ploblem some where what im gunna do in future is put it in neutral then dissarm the datatool then start it up like iv done all week and see how it goes
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[UKKILLBILL]

i love this bike but why does she plays up on me
here she is
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[DrDonnyBrago]

[UKKILLBILL]

im still having problems on my bike
like iv said at the 1st thread it starts up fine every time when cold and when it does one it plays up bad. last time this happened was on thursday, got home and it wouldnt start till it cooled down. then it was ok till today (sunday) went out for a run and when it got to 85c heat temp i stopped it and wouldnt start till it cooled down. last sunday i spent 6 hours checking under the seat and see if i could take off the datatool but too many black wires. i put it all back and it worked fine till thursday then today. iv not washed it for two weeks so i know its not a water problem, iv put a new starter soliniod, a second hand cut out relay and a side stand switch. i dont know what to do next as i dont want to take it to the dealers again as they charge me a arm n leg like they did me just for a plain service which cost me £500. in the haynes manual electric diagram there is a lot of components conecting together to save wires and so on like for instance
, kill switch- clutch switch-side stand switch-speed sensor- throtle sensor-cut out relay-ignition contol unit-alarm and pick up, it goes on n on.

PLEASE CAN ANYONY HELP ME PLEASE- my baby needs help

another thing at times when it reaches to around 85c heat temp it sometime the revs creep up to 3-4 revs on the
clock, i thought i would need a speed sensor or a throttle sensor but in the book it says that would happen when you 1st start the bike up. any ideas peeps
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