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Alex A
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 22 Jun 2010    Post subject: GSX-R750 Bogging Down Reply with quote

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On the last few rides, the bike seems to be bogging down a little on slight throttle openings, in lower revs, whilst under load. It's fine when in neutral, and once you open the throttle more than 20% or so, it pulls as strongly and consistently as ever. But at constant slight throttle the power cuts in and out a little. It's not drastic by any means (doesn't judder about) but it's noticably weaker and a little 'wheezy'. In short, it's not as happy to build revs under load from low down, and I need to slip the clutch a little longer with bigger throttle opening to achieve the same 'go'.

Great excuse to always thrash it, but a little annoying for getting about.

It may or may not be coincidence, but it seems to have come about since I ran out of petrol last week (low petrol light doesn't work). So I'm thinking that perhaps some cack from the tank has made it's way into the carbs and maybe jammed up one of the slides?

I haven't done anything yet, though battery/plugs/oil/filter/coils were all renewed about 1500 miles ago, so all fairly fresh. Carbs were also stripped, cleaned and balanced at the same time.

Before taking the thing to pieces, I'd like some suggestions as to the likely things to check. As it only happens under load, I may end up unbolting everything, fettling whatever might be the cause, putting it all back together, then riding to check, and I could end up repeating that process a number of times until it's sorted. I'd rather just do it the once, so feel free to suggest a few things to do whilst the tank's lifted before I put it all back together to test it out again.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 22 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try draining the carbs with the screws under the float bowls. You wont need to take anything apart to do that.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 22 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds a little bit like a small peice of crap is blocking on or some of the jets. this would be sufficient with the small throttle openings as it probally wont be on the main jet!

might also be the fuel filters abit cloged up, you could try replacing that first? then draining the carbs and seeing if that makes a difference. if not i think its a carb strip down maybe?
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 24 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamfatbloke wrote:
Try draining the carbs with the screws under the float bowls. You wont need to take anything apart to do that.


Thanks Adam. Drained the carbs this morning. No residue at all in the petrol, perfectly clean. Went for a 60 mile blast to give it a good chance to 'clear' anything that might be gunked up, but no luck. Still doing the same thing.

It seems to be quite specifically between about 4-5.5k RPM and feels like one cylinder isn't firing properly. As soon as you give it a bit more gas, it suddenly leaps forward at full smooth power. But it makes cruising at 20/30 difficult unless I leave the bike in first, which is hardly a smooth solution in itself. More annoyingly, it makes slow roll ons through corners unpredictable in the lower revs.

I don't have the competence or knowledge to be messing with carb jets (especially since it could be one of four carbs affected), so before I take it to someone who does, is there anything more straightforward I can check?

Thanks, Alex.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 24 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check moisture hasnt gotten into a HT cap between the lead and cap. Corrodes the copper a bit and can make the bottom end a bit fluffy.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 24 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:

I don't have the competence or knowledge to be messing with carb jets (especially since it could be one of four carbs affected), so before I take it to someone who does, is there anything more straightforward I can check?

Thanks, Alex.


No messing, its a case of remove the carbs and blow through the jets (little brass things with holes in) with an air line or a can of carb cleaner.

The only thing on the carbs that needs to be removed is the float bowls.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 24 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same problem with the exact same bike, took the carbs off, (bit of a bitch due to tight space) and cleaned them thoroughly.

Sorted it after this.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 25 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

benjami wrote:
Had the same problem with the exact same bike, took the carbs off, (bit of a bitch due to tight space) and cleaned them thoroughly.


You don't say! Removed the tail fairing, tank and half the airbox so far. Looks like the side fairings need to go too to get proper access to the manifold. It's all pretty crammed in under the frame beams and cross brace. There's a very real danger of shifting all the cables/breathers etc. out of the way and having absolutely no idea what went where. A service manual and/or Haynes manual would be very helpful!
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, carbs out (very fiddly). They look pretty immaculate inside - though they should considering they were only stripped 1500 miles ago. I did notice one of two breather pipes wasn't connected to the carb assembly before I took it out.

Got some carb cleaner but no air line. Any tips?
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its also worth noting the GSXR750WN is also well known for burning valves on stock jetting, especially if it developes any kind of leak in the intake path.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temeluchus wrote:
Its also worth noting the GSXR750WN is also well known for burning valves on stock jetting, especially if it developes any kind of leak in the intake path.


Well I'll hope that's not the case. I'd imagine a burned valve would have been more gradually noticeable, unless of course it's just cracked.

For now, got the carbs on the kitchen table with the carb cleaner (rancid stuff!). Have cleaned out a little surface gunk in a couple of the float bowls. Internally they're pretty clean generally though.

Is it necessary to remove the main jets? I sprayed carb cleaner through them and it came out through one of the jets in the air inlet with the same force on every carb.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
there might be like rusty paste stuff


A little in two of the bowls. This one worse than the other. The middle two were clean.

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PostPosted: 13:04 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe time for a new air filter too?

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
well... that wont exactly help lol.


Embarassed Indeed!

Off to pick up a replacement now.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right! Just got back from work to finish the job.

Carbs thoroughly checked and cleaned and reinstalled. Airbox refitted with new filter. Tank and seat put back on.

Went for a quick run and I've got a triple Razz

Right hand cylinder isn't firing. Fuel is getting through as it pops in the exhaust. Think I might have damaged/yanked the HT lead when removing and cramming everything back in under the tank. Will check the plug for a spark in the morning.

The good news is, despite running on three, it's actually running better and building revs in lower RPM much more happily than it did when I began (and it was running on all four then). For instance, if I held the throttle (in neutral) at about 5-10% before it would reach about 4.5k and climb no further. Now it runs right up to about 7-8k with the same throttle and doesn't need a whole lot more to have it running freely to the limiter. Get this cylinder running and I reckon it should be good to go.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
the small garden growing in your air filter wont have helped.


You're quite right - could be all the problem was. But I don't want to believe that having faffed around for several hours removing and cleaning carbs Razz
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
CHR15 wrote:
the small garden growing in your air filter wont have helped.


You're quite right - could be all the problem was. But I don't want to believe that having faffed around for several hours removing and cleaning carbs Razz


It's been so good for it though! A fantastic bike like that is happy you're giving it this much TLC Smile
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 26 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps some nice dyna coils? The stock suzuki items arent great.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been on holiday for a week so only just got around to lifting the tank again yesterday. Checked all the plugs and reseated all the HT caps, replaced the tank and she's back in business. Running very nicely indeed with the new air filter and freshly cleaned carbs Very Happy

Thanks all for the help - much appreciated. Thumbs Up
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