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Jayy
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Speed Cameras: How to defend yourself document Reply with quote

When I first got caught speeding a few months ago, I was going to use a speeding solicitor but couldn't justify the £600 - £1200 fee it was going to cost me.

So, instead, he had some documents on his site that you could buy for £5.99 to represent yourself in speeding cases. It's a 23 page document telling you all the things to look out for, ask questions etc etc.

I'm not going down the not guilty route, I thought, fuck it, I'll just take what happens but this will be of interest to people on here, some interesting stuff in there!

Anyway, it's attached.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Thumbs Up .

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good info in there. Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:50 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loving tip 19...

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19. Did the police officer have his radio or telephone switched on when operating the laser device?

If so, the speed reading may be unreliable. As the ACPO Code of Practice clearly states:

- “Police radio transmitters, whether hand-held or car mounted, must not be used at the moment a vehicle speed is being measured.”

- “The use of any repeater radio in the vicinity of a laser speed meter must be avoided.”

- “GSM phones must not be switched on when a laser speedmeter is in use.”


What do the police use instead of conventional radios? Airwave. What are Airwave units? TETRA phones, which is GSM with knobs on (more power and extra data bandwidth).

Time to demand cell site data to ensure that the radios were actually off, rather than turned down!
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:59 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:
Loving tip 19...

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19. Did the police officer have his radio or telephone switched on when operating the laser device?

If so, the speed reading may be unreliable. As the ACPO Code of Practice clearly states:

- “Police radio transmitters, whether hand-held or car mounted, must not be used at the moment a vehicle speed is being measured.”

- “The use of any repeater radio in the vicinity of a laser speed meter must be avoided.”

- “GSM phones must not be switched on when a laser speedmeter is in use.”


What do the police use instead of conventional radios? Airwave. What are Airwave units? TETRA phones, which is GSM with knobs on (more power and extra data bandwidth).

Time to demand cell site data to ensure that the radios were actually off, rather than turned down!


Aside from asking the officer in question, how would you find out if they were using one?

Interesting stuff. Thumbs Up
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Mister James
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The control room for the relevant force keeps records of which radio is logged onto which channel at any one time.

The Airwave systems don't work like classic walkie talkies, but more like internet radio or VOIP.

They can tell if some silly sod takes his radio home and lulls himself to sleep with the soothing sounds of his OCU going to rat-shit, so they should be able to print out a certain officer's radio usage for the material time.

Just send off a disclosure request explaining why it is relevant - they have to comply, or give a valid reason why they don't - which you'll be able to pick apart in court.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also mentions was the camera van parked half on / half off the pavement. Did they get permission from the highways authority to do this?

Which was interesting because the van that got me was parked half on, half off and I took a picture of it.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to get your ass sued. Confused
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Jayy
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought about that! As I'm doing it for the good of you guys, don't be drawing attention to this guy that I've posted it haha.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although this doc only covers the laser gun things, still some interesting loopholes.

what device do the motorway bikes have to measure speed?as my mate was chased at over 100 pulled over then issued a verbal NIP. how do they prove he was doing that speed? and how can they prove that he even gave the verbal NIP properly as he had to rush off to an accident, so it may be a get out there?

in adition to this, his DOB and middle name where wrong on the letter
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 01 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The officers word is usually enough for that sort of thing.
With regards to the speed - Traffic (and Area) cars/bikes tend to have calibrated speedos. An MG11 statement detailing your speed from the officer in question would usually be enough if he makes it detailed enough.

The law generally allows for minor typos on paperwork, as long as the officer can convince the court that it was actually the defendant he stopped on the day.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for your input, but that doc says that the officer needs a method of verifying it..... in the case of that doc it is a fully calibrated cam and his opinion! in this case its his word against yours?
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please keep us updated!!!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:22 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:
cheers for your input, but that doc says that the officer needs a method of verifying it..... in the case of that doc it is a fully calibrated cam and his opinion! in this case its his word against yours?


Did you actually read the document? I had a rough read im pretty sure it mentioned it, or similar!
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 02 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

L4Isoside wrote:
Stowelly wrote:
cheers for your input, but that doc says that the officer needs a method of verifying it..... in the case of that doc it is a fully calibrated cam and his opinion! in this case its his word against yours?


Did you actually read the document? I had a rough read im pretty sure it mentioned it, or similar!


i did, but mostly skimmed, will have another check later, thanks!
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 05 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the lawyer who wrote this guide sees this he might sue you for £5 x however many people downloaded it.... Neutral
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 05 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he's gunna get sued for like, over £1000 Laughing

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