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Hello!
As the title says, I'm looking at getting my first bike, I plan on taking my DAS when I turn 21 in a few months, once I've got some money saved up. (And fully worked out what I need to do...they don't make it easy to get a bike licence do they? xD).
I'm not too sure what kind of bike to go for, I'm 6ft4 and rather large, so don't want something that looks too small.
If anyone can help, that would be great.
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Doing intensive and DAS gets you on the road on a 'big-bike' quick, but WOEFULY under prepared, remember you wont start learning until you are out there doing it on your own.
Bike needs to be good, needs to be comfortable and controleable, ANd you need to remember the throttle goes both ways; its an analogue input, NOT an on-off switch.
On THAT one you have slight advantage over folk coming up from mopeds and 125's who have learned the ingrained lesson that to get anywhere you HAVE to have the taps wide open all the time.... but thats about the ONLY advantage you'll have on them.
Bike wise, take your pick?
what style do you preffer?
what do you fancy?
My advice is to look for a regular street-bike, somethng upright, devoid of plastics, and with an easy power delivery.
Commuter or tourer.
for cost, four-pot bikes are more expensive to run. bigger bike are more expensive to run.
Cheaper bikes are often cheaper becouse they are expensive to run and have been run into the ground NOt getting the maintenence.
Whats your budget?
Cb500's Er500's and GS500 commuters are a common choice; cheap, manageable, easy to live with. Probably what you'll do your DAS on.
Good a starting point as any.
Go from there.
Get DAS out the way, listen to instrucors advice.
Get licnce THEN go look for bike.
Remember, no good having bike if you dont pass and having to repeat DAS will make big hole in budget for bike!
Worry about one thing at a time..... pomder the rest!
Dont rush.
Sure way to grief when it comes to bikes!
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Thank you for the reply .
I understand that I won't have any experience on a bike, and going to a big bike might be a problem, however I believe that I will be sensible on the road due to my job.
Budget is around £5,000, but that includes getting insurance as well, which I've not had a chance to look at yet.
I like the look of the Kawasaki Ninja 600, but thats purely on looks at the moment, looking though reviews at the moment.
Has anyone heard of 'Get On'? Saw it advertised in the local paper, and saw that they are offering free tester sessions, which I planned on doing, just incase I find I don't like it...would rather find out now rather than spending £x on everything. |
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| LosingGrip wrote: | Thank you for the reply .
I understand that I won't have any experience on a bike, and going to a big bike might be a problem, however I believe that I will be sensible on the road due to my job.
Budget is around £5,000, but that includes getting insurance as well, which I've not had a chance to look at yet.
I like the look of the Kawasaki Ninja 600, but thats purely on looks at the moment, looking though reviews at the moment.
Has anyone heard of 'Get On'? Saw it advertised in the local paper, and saw that they are offering free tester sessions, which I planned on doing, just incase I find I don't like it...would rather find out now rather than spending £x on everything. |
Fair enough.
I'd STRONGLY caution against sports-bikes, and PARTICULARLY the Ninja.
The riding possition, power delivery and handling are all optimised for high-speed riding, they ARE track-bikes, and the public road is NOT thier ideal habitat, and an inexperienced rider NOT thier best pilot!
YES they do everything incredibly well, and they DO inspire confidence. Rather TOO much confidence!
As an experienced and blowing my own trumpet 'expert' rider, I had a go on one of the first ZX6RR's into teh country about,.... fifteen years ago?!? (Nah! CANT be THAT old!!!!!)
It was the FIRST bike to truly scare me on the road. NOT becouse it was fast, or evil handling or ANYTHING like that; came up riding the old muscle bikes weaving and snaking their way to silly speeds.....
The thing just gave NO feed-back to what you were doing. It was the first 100bhp 'middle-weight' and it just went where you pinted it. fast. You only needed to think and it turned, think and it went, thing and it stopped.
AMAZING bike, and I would have loved to stick one round Cadwell, just to see what I could get out of the thing.
On the ROAD though, just came NO-WHERE near finding any limits or getting anything 'back' from the bike to give me any idea where the limits lay, and THAT was what scared me.
Nice twisty road I knew well, and doing the sort of double speed limit speeds I regularly did on that road, .... well it was necrophiliacical (?!? is there such a word!?!) You could do anything you liked with it.... but it was dead as a door nail NO fee-back or respionse from it WHAT-SO-EVER!
Getting seriousely silly with the thing, it STILL couldn't be encouraged to tell you whether it was happy or not... it just kept going.
For your average rider, THAT would make them feel like a riding GOD, they'd get to silly speeds, becouse the confidence the bike inspired and BELIEVE it was all THEIR doing..... creiditing the bike with a little pat that it was 'pretty good' and let them show what THEY could do, rather than the other way around.
What was scary about the bike was that in being so good it encouraged such riding, and in the hands of the average rider would encourage them to ride it like a loon, AND teach them they could get away with it...... up to the point where, without warning...... they didn't!
For a Newbie, THAT is a really, REALLY bad idea. The bike will NOT give you the clues that you are doing anything daft or less than perfectly, it'll cope with anything you chuck at it, and encourage you to do it harder and faster.......
You wont learn much from it, and the first time you'll know you have cocked up will be when you have SERIOUSELY cocked up, and I hate to imagine where you'll be or what you'll be looking a at that particular instant!
Starting out, you want something 'soft edged' not 'razor focussed'.
Somethng that WILL give you all that feed-back and let you know where you have muffed a change or cocked up a line, by complaining, loudly at you. BUT with so much 'margi for error' it wont hurt you!
And TBH something 'Big' as in the litre-bike legue can actually be BETTER than something in the 600 range.
The bigger bikes, have broader softer power delivery, and more weight. That weight gives them more stability and makes them more cumbersome to hustle through bends, so you get a lot more feeling of when things are getting a bit 'hot' for them, and you start to sweat, muscling that much mass around!
But the beefy low down power, will also give you loads of reserve to get the gears wrong, and still find traction to haul you out of a bend, or whatever, and WONT urge you to keep the needles in the exitement zone, as thats the only place the bike seems to be 'working'.
I'd be FAR more comfortable sticking a Newbie on something like an FJ12 or an XJR than I would a ZX6.
But, end of the day, your call.
Idea of doing CG until you can do DAS, is reasonable, but iof its not far off, then probably not going to exite you.
MIGHT be worth signing up for CBT & weekly road-training on a 125 school bike though, to get SOME experience and miles under your belt before doing Intensive and DAS.
But H&N, basically dont sweat the small stuff!
Just worry about your DAS and Test, get the Hazard Pep & Theory dusted, get your DAS done.
You dont NEED a bike till that's sorted, so just mull over the mags, dream, but DONT spend any money!
Once you'd ridden, you'l have the benefit of your instructors advice AND what it felt like in teh saddle, and you can work from there.
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| arry wrote: | | LosingGrip wrote: |
Budget is around £5,000, but that includes getting insurance as well, which I've not had a chance to look at yet.
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Fair bit of dosh for a first bike. Bare in mind that you're more likely to bin things early on, so maybe going for something naked rather than faired might be a good start, especially if you look towards engine bars/crash bungs to help save it from too much damage.
Seems as if you're not really clear on what it is you want, so I'd suggest going to a s/h dealer and just sitting on a few bikes to see what sort of riding position you think you might like. Sports bikes are a lot more prone on the tank than more upright tourers will be, so work out whether that sort of position is for you and then go on from there  |
Just got a quick insurance quote, putting that I'm 21, passed my test today for a Ninja...£2375.33...don't think I'll be getting that any time soon!
Got a week off from work soon, going to have a look around a few places.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | LosingGrip wrote: | Thank you for the reply .
I understand that I won't have any experience on a bike, and going to a big bike might be a problem, however I believe that I will be sensible on the road due to my job.
Budget is around £5,000, but that includes getting insurance as well, which I've not had a chance to look at yet.
I like the look of the Kawasaki Ninja 600, but thats purely on looks at the moment, looking though reviews at the moment.
Has anyone heard of 'Get On'? Saw it advertised in the local paper, and saw that they are offering free tester sessions, which I planned on doing, just incase I find I don't like it...would rather find out now rather than spending £x on everything. |
Fair enough.
I'd STRONGLY caution against sports-bikes, and PARTICULARLY the Ninja.
The riding possition, power delivery and handling are all optimised for high-speed riding, they ARE track-bikes, and the public road is NOT thier ideal habitat, and an inexperienced rider NOT thier best pilot!
YES they do everything incredibly well, and they DO inspire confidence. Rather TOO much confidence!
As an experienced and blowing my own trumpet 'expert' rider, I had a go on one of the first ZX6RR's into teh country about,.... fifteen years ago?!? (Nah! CANT be THAT old!!!!!)
It was the FIRST bike to truly scare me on the road. NOT becouse it was fast, or evil handling or ANYTHING like that; came up riding the old muscle bikes weaving and snaking their way to silly speeds.....
The thing just gave NO feed-back to what you were doing. It was the first 100bhp 'middle-weight' and it just went where you pinted it. fast. You only needed to think and it turned, think and it went, thing and it stopped.
AMAZING bike, and I would have loved to stick one round Cadwell, just to see what I could get out of the thing.
On the ROAD though, just came NO-WHERE near finding any limits or getting anything 'back' from the bike to give me any idea where the limits lay, and THAT was what scared me.
Nice twisty road I knew well, and doing the sort of double speed limit speeds I regularly did on that road, .... well it was necrophiliacical (?!? is there such a word!?!) You could do anything you liked with it.... but it was dead as a door nail NO fee-back or respionse from it WHAT-SO-EVER!
Getting seriousely silly with the thing, it STILL couldn't be encouraged to tell you whether it was happy or not... it just kept going.
For your average rider, THAT would make them feel like a riding GOD, they'd get to silly speeds, becouse the confidence the bike inspired and BELIEVE it was all THEIR doing..... creiditing the bike with a little pat that it was 'pretty good' and let them show what THEY could do, rather than the other way around.
What was scary about the bike was that in being so good it encouraged such riding, and in the hands of the average rider would encourage them to ride it like a loon, AND teach them they could get away with it...... up to the point where, without warning...... they didn't!
For a Newbie, THAT is a really, REALLY bad idea. The bike will NOT give you the clues that you are doing anything daft or less than perfectly, it'll cope with anything you chuck at it, and encourage you to do it harder and faster.......
You wont learn much from it, and the first time you'll know you have cocked up will be when you have SERIOUSELY cocked up, and I hate to imagine where you'll be or what you'll be looking a at that particular instant!
Starting out, you want something 'soft edged' not 'razor focussed'.
Somethng that WILL give you all that feed-back and let you know where you have muffed a change or cocked up a line, by complaining, loudly at you. BUT with so much 'margi for error' it wont hurt you!
And TBH something 'Big' as in the litre-bike legue can actually be BETTER than something in the 600 range.
The bigger bikes, have broader softer power delivery, and more weight. That weight gives them more stability and makes them more cumbersome to hustle through bends, so you get a lot more feeling of when things are getting a bit 'hot' for them, and you start to sweat, muscling that much mass around!
But the beefy low down power, will also give you loads of reserve to get the gears wrong, and still find traction to haul you out of a bend, or whatever, and WONT urge you to keep the needles in the exitement zone, as thats the only place the bike seems to be 'working'.
I'd be FAR more comfortable sticking a Newbie on something like an FJ12 or an XJR than I would a ZX6.
But, end of the day, your call.
Idea of doing CG until you can do DAS, is reasonable, but iof its not far off, then probably not going to exite you.
MIGHT be worth signing up for CBT & weekly road-training on a 125 school bike though, to get SOME experience and miles under your belt before doing Intensive and DAS.
But H&N, basically dont sweat the small stuff!
Just worry about your DAS and Test, get the Hazard Pep & Theory dusted, get your DAS done.
You dont NEED a bike till that's sorted, so just mull over the mags, dream, but DONT spend any money!
Once you'd ridden, you'l have the benefit of your instructors advice AND what it felt like in teh saddle, and you can work from there. |
As I just said above...insurance has put a stop to me getting a Ninja...thought it would be similar prices to when I first started driving my car...guess not lol.
My parts in bold...what do they mean?
Just looked at the two bikes you suggested...love the look of the XJR...will look into that some more.
Thanks .
While I'm here, can anyone suggest places to take lessons/tests in the Dorset area? |
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LOL!
CG! You DONT know what CG means?!?!?!
Shame on you! You are at an EVEN bigger dissadvantage in your bike-lore than I presumed! He-He!
Honds CG125, the defacto choice of bike schools for newbies to wobble about on and dump in the play-ground doing thier CBT!
The 'cult' bike of the super-ecconomy commuter, learner taxi-drivers doing 'the knowledge' and college kids on the 'cheap'!
Its been around since 1977ish, when Honda dropped their little CB125Single, with its advanced Over-Head-Cam engine, for the more sporty twin cylinder model, and to provide a super-cheap commuter stuck a push-rod engine into the CB frame and christened it the CG.... which has been going pretty much ever since, getting back its OHC engine, via the XL dirt bike after about twenty years, and aquiring an electrioc starter with it, and being relegated to being built in Brazil!
GENERATIONS of New-Bikers have cut thier teeth torturing the things..... I think you OUGHT to be FORCED to buy one JUST so you have to go back and do THAT bit of the course 'properly'..... no notes from mummy will be accepted, and you WILL be made to repeat the excersize until you are a 'practiced' tiddler-torturer! lol!
H&N.... Simple, Here & Now! plain abreviation!
Yup, check out the muscle bikes. A few alternatives for you, and IF the insurance is going to be a crucifier, look for the 750's.
Honda & Kawasaki launched 'Retro' 750's back in the early 90's, the CB 'seven fifty' or CB750F2N (bike I have as every day hack) or the Kawasaki 750 'Zephyr'.
Both very capable, and useful Newbie Mounts with a bit more 'go' and style than the 500's, and VERY cheap. Expect to pay about a grand to grand and a half for either, in decent shape. (Top end should buy you something REALLY tidy!)
Cheap to buy, cheap to insure, and ALMOST as cheap on maintenence as the 500's, and very cheap to fix if you drop one.
Plnty have after-market engine bars on them, that often show the scrapes of such encounters, and prove thier worth by having saved exhausts, tanks bars etc!
Good way 'in' to big-biking; all up, somethng like that could get you OTR (On The Road!) for under £2K insurance included, leaving plenty in the pot or on the credit card for when you have some miles under your belt if the bikes starting to bore you.
They actually sold in the states as a Newbie bike, like a 125 here!
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At 6 foot 4 you'll likely bury most sport bikes and indeed you'll like a bit big on many 500 commuters. Something a bit bigger like a Bandit, Fazer, Diversion, Versys... that would be a better place to start after passing your DAS. Enough power to get you around, but also a large enough bike so you will be comfortable on it.
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[quote="LosingGrip]As I just said above...insurance has put a stop to me getting a Ninja...thought it would be similar prices to when I first started driving my car...guess not lol.[/quote]
Well when you first passed your car test, did you go out expecting to straight away get a Ferrarri 308GTB, or BMW M6?!?!?
Think about it?
When you passed your car test, you were probably looking at 1.4 Fiestas, and MAYBe a Focus ST140!
Compared to bikes, that Fiesta 1.4 is like a CG125, while the Focus ST140 would be more like a CBR250!
The Ninja, is a 600cc 100bhp motorcycle. Thats more power than most hatch-back cars, and it weighs bugger all!
It has a top speed in excess of 150mph and a quarter mile time fro a standing start faster than most sports-cars 0-60 statistic!
WHY would you nievely presume that such a device would be 'cheap' to insure?!?
I mean, 600cc dont sound that big, but engine capacity doesn't mean all that much when it comes to bikes!
Few years ago, They took a bunch of bikes to Donnington, I think it was, top snot superbikes from the litre classes, fastest thing round the track that day was a 125!
Lets get some references in place here for you; that CB750 like mine I have suggested, is a 3/4 litre bike, with about 60bhp. It has a top speed of around 125mph, its a nice soft big bike, and none to scary.
VFR400, has about as much power, and with its deminutive dimensions and aerodynamic bodywork can exceed 140mph.
The power to weight ratio of EVEN a 'lardy' bike, like a 100bhp GSX1400, is enough to see it out-accelerate all but the most high-performance sportscars.
AND unlike cars which take up a lot of road room, and USE more road room to achieve velocities, bikes dont. MUCH more of the available performance can be put to use that much more often.
One of the FIRST 'moments' most new riders have is coming onto a motorway; watching the mirrors and checking for traffic from behind, accelerating up the ramp, they end up finding themselves doing 80-90 per, and heading straight into the back of an artic in the inside lane, doing 56!
Becouse they just do NOT apreciate how quick a bike will accelerate, or how easily they will aquire speed.
Then there is the risk loading. Part of teh reason that a Merc or BMW or Ferrari is expensive to insure is becouse its an expensive car.... and expensive to fix if crashed or crashed into.
same with bikes. Sprots bikes like the Ninja, have lots of fragile and expensive plastic round them, the first thing to be destroyed in even the lightest of spills.....
PLENTY of sports bikes have been 'written off' by insurance companies for nothing more dramatic than being knocked of thier side stand and the plastic fairings cracked!
And then there is the risk of a crash due to rider behaviour. 'hooligan' cars like the ST140 or the hoter Saxo's will aquire a higher risk loading becouse the people atracted to driving them tend to drive them like nutters...... same with the Hi-Po sports-bikes... worse... becouse they CAN use the performance, they do..... and it hurts more when they come to grief!
Its not TOO much different to when you passed your car test..... its just the references aren't quite what you expected!
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 Calm down a bit, eh?
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Well when you first passed your car test, did you go out expecting to straight away get a Ferrarri 308GTB, or BMW M6?!?!?
Think about it?
When you passed your car test, you were probably looking at 1.4 Fiestas, and MAYBe a Focus ST140!
Compared to bikes, that Fiesta 1.4 is like a CG125, while the Focus ST140 would be more like a CBR250!
The Ninja, is a 600cc 100bhp motorcycle. Thats more power than most hatch-back cars, and it weighs bugger all!
It has a top speed in excess of 150mph and a quarter mile time fro a standing start faster than most sports-cars 0-60 statistic!
WHY would you nievely presume that such a device would be 'cheap' to insure?!?
I mean, 600cc dont sound that big, but engine capacity doesn't mean all that much when it comes to bikes!
Few years ago, They took a bunch of bikes to Donnington, I think it was, top snot superbikes from the litre classes, fastest thing round the track that day was a 125!
Lets get some references in place here for you; that CB750 like mine I have suggested, is a 3/4 litre bike, with about 60bhp. It has a top speed of around 125mph, its a nice soft big bike, and none to scary.
VFR400, has about as much power, and with its deminutive dimensions and aerodynamic bodywork can exceed 140mph.
The power to weight ratio of EVEN a 'lardy' bike, like a 100bhp GSX1400, is enough to see it out-accelerate all but the most high-performance sportscars.
AND unlike cars which take up a lot of road room, and USE more road room to achieve velocities, bikes dont. MUCH more of the available performance can be put to use that much more often.
One of the FIRST 'moments' most new riders have is coming onto a motorway; watching the mirrors and checking for traffic from behind, accelerating up the ramp, they end up finding themselves doing 80-90 per, and heading straight into the back of an artic in the inside lane, doing 56!
Becouse they just do NOT apreciate how quick a bike will accelerate, or how easily they will aquire speed.
Then there is the risk loading. Part of teh reason that a Merc or BMW or Ferrari is expensive to insure is becouse its an expensive car.... and expensive to fix if crashed or crashed into.
same with bikes. Sprots bikes like the Ninja, have lots of fragile and expensive plastic round them, the first thing to be destroyed in even the lightest of spills.....
PLENTY of sports bikes have been 'written off' by insurance companies for nothing more dramatic than being knocked of thier side stand and the plastic fairings cracked!
And then there is the risk of a crash due to rider behaviour. 'hooligan' cars like the ST140 or the hoter Saxo's will aquire a higher risk loading becouse the people atracted to driving them tend to drive them like nutters...... same with the Hi-Po sports-bikes... worse... becouse they CAN use the performance, they do..... and it hurts more when they come to grief!
Its not TOO much different to when you passed your car test..... its just the references aren't quite what you expected! |
What he said.
A sensible, non-rich new rider should be looking to get a commuter style bike in my opinion, or at least an unfaired/non-plastic-fantastic bike. Anything else is likely to end in tears when the bike is "written off" for a light drop that damages the expensive plastics.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | LosingGrip wrote: | As I just said above...insurance has put a stop to me getting a Ninja...thought it would be similar prices to when I first started driving my car...guess not lol. |
]Well when you first passed your car test, did you go out expecting to straight away get a Ferrarri 308GTB, or BMW M6?!?!?
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Seeing as a Ferrarri costs what, £100k+? Of course I wasn't expecting to get one (hell, I'm never expecting to get one).
As the title suggests...I'm new to biking, so don't have a clue about bikes, so why would I know about how powerful a 600cc bike is?
I didn't read the rest of the post as it wasn't really relevant.
| metalangel wrote: | At 6 foot 4 you'll likely bury most sport bikes and indeed you'll like a bit big on many 500 commuters. Something a bit bigger like a Bandit, Fazer, Diversion, Versys... that would be a better place to start after passing your DAS. Enough power to get you around, but also a large enough bike so you will be comfortable on it. |
Cheers .
Got a few months to see what I like, and a sit on before I can think more about buying a bike.
Booked the taster session though 'Get On' today...just waiting for them to confirm the date.
Had a look at the CG125...think I'll pass...thanks for the idea though lol. |
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Just remember that engine capacity is not a good indication of power.
That ZX6R is 600cc, and does 161mph, and has 115bhp. While the Versys is 650cc but only gets to 128mph with its 60bhp.
It can be very extreme... the Royal Enfields they still sell might be 500cc but will only get to about 80mph or so, about the same as a modern 250 (or the very best 125s).
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews
That link is a great place to compare the stats of bikes as it lists all this info as well as their insurance group.
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Cheers
Out of interest...when did first aid come into the theory test? Don't remember doing it for my car theory in 2007. |
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