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Nai
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Riding in the wet stuff Reply with quote

OK, don't have much experience riding in the rain on a motorbike. Done a bit in light rain last month but come Monday London's meant to have thunderstorms. So really checking up there's anything I should be thinking of as far as riding a motorbike in the rain is concerned.

Road paint I am guessing is a no no. Its a bugger sliding on that stuff on a bicycle, I imagine its the same on a motorbike. Same goes for the roads being greasy as its been dry down here for a while.

Accelerating and decelerating, easy on and easy off I assume?

Anything else I should be aware of? Should I be breaking differently? Shifting my weight differently?
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allow more stopping distance, keep a good gap to whats in front, wipe visor when at a stop, keep a lookout for rainbow effect on road (diesel) generally take it easy and allow yourself more time. I was nervous at first riding in the wet but now it dont bother me, unless I aint got my waterproofs on and get in dripping like a sponge Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding in the wet is very different.

Brakes dont work for atleast 2 seconds after you have pressed the lever. road is slippery as hell, and the road markings are lethal!

one to to defo watch out for though is drain covers, i have nearly come off twice going over them because they are in the middle of the road in a corner!

i take it very carefully in the wet, party due to the fact the tyres on my bike are shit.

you will be fine, just take it easy, be careful on the throttle, expecially when your in a bend.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:

Brakes dont work for atleast 2 seconds after you have pressed the lever.


I never had a bike where brakes didn't work for 2 seconds in wet weather. Why wouldn't they?

Car brakes work fine in the rain too.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TwoSock wrote:
0l0dom0l0 wrote:

Brakes dont work for atleast 2 seconds after you have pressed the lever.

I never had a bike where brakes didn't work for 2 seconds in wet weather. Why wouldn't they?
Car brakes work fine in the rain too.

+1 If that's how effective your brakes work, they're fucked

Just take it steady. Don't brake or accelerate hard, and remember that you can't use as much lean angle as you can in the dry.

On the other hand, you'll have alot more grip than you think. Just don't go mad. Anything that isn't clean tarmac will have reduced grip. Be especially careful on roundabouts as they often get covered in shit
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brakes are fucked? Why?
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TWO SOCKS he was agreeing with you HAHA

As above all my bikes brakes have worked a little to well in the wet causing slides Thumbs Up

The key to wet weather riding is the faster you go the less time you get rained on and the dryer you stay Mr. Green



Seriously though
Riding in the wet is nothing to be afraid of and the the only difference is you have a little less grip and anything painted white should be avoided if your braking (white lines,cheverons,zebra crossings ect)
Just drop your speed a little and give some extra distance to whatever is in front of you.
And as said above lookout for the rainbows on the road mainly on the bends its diesel / oil and can make things a bit slidey.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:
TWO SOCKS he was agreeing with you HAHA

Indeed, I was, hence the "+1". The rest of my comment was aimed at 0l0dom0l0, and was merely elaboration.

Disc brakes should not lose much effeiency in the rain. It's one of the reasons to use them on a pushbike instead of rim brakes, which suffer greatly when wet.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh right lol
Was starting to worry then Razz
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save the hooning for sunny weather.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, so its pretty much ride a motorbike as I would a bicycle. Thanks a lot guys and girls Smile Much appreciated.

I have ridden all year round in snow and ice and hail and all kinds of naffness on a single speed bicycle, but the prospect of doing rough weather on a motorbike don't half make me nervous Embarassed
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the ninja, I would take corners at at least half the speed I would normally (I ride fast) but it always did feel like it was going to slide out from underneath me.

The KTM though, it handles amazingly in the rain, I trash it into corners in the wet and it feels like it's not going anywhere, big confidence booster.

I hate riding in the wet but if I still have this KTM in the winter, which I suspect I will, I'm quite looking forward to it!
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

any one tired a pair of wets on the road?
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

- Just give yourself more time and distance for any moves.
- Be less aggressive with both acceleration and braking.
- Avoid slick / painted / greasy / rainbow sheened surfaces.
- Wet manhole covers & drain covers etc will be as slick as ice.
- Take corners at a slower speed & with less lean angle than you would normally.

I rode the GPZ in all weathers, and more recently ridden the Bandit on a daily basis ever since I bought it back in November. It's just a matter of taking your time, and planning ahead Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:18 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nai wrote:
I have ridden all year round in snow and ice and hail and all kinds of naffness on a single speed bicycle, but the prospect of doing rough weather on a motorbike don't half make me nervous Embarassed

If you've managed through snow, ice, heavy rain, etc, etc on a pushbike then just use the same approach and you'll be fine on a motorbike. Thumbs Up

Bad weather is easier on a motorbike compared to a push bike. When on a motorbike you're not riding at the edge of the road like cylists, so no going through (or round) all the puddles, potholes, accumulated road grime, and everything else that heavy rain washes to the edges of the roads.
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Riding in the wet is very different.

Brakes dont work for atleast 2 seconds after you have pressed the lever. road is slippery as hell, and the road markings are lethal!



Bullshit. The brakes work when you pull the lever, same as they do in the dry. You're just more likely to lock the wheels due to the brakes overpowering the traction, but that's very much down to the suitability and quality of your tyres. If your brakes don't bite immediately when you pull the lever, they're faulty.

Easy rules for wet weather:

1) Don't give it the beans when you're leant over.
2) Always gentle on the brakes.

Very simply, ride as smoothly as you can. That way you have time to react/compensate if the bike does something you weren't expecting.

No reason why you can't ride quickly in the rain, so long as you're smooth and composed.
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PostPosted: 02:53 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Road paint, manhole covers ( they are a killer ), fuel spillage on tight corners and r/bouts especially those near a garage, a lot grass cuttings about at the moment, go easy on front brake especially down hill, smooth throttle, no countersteering well you can but very gentley but most of all enjoy it cause it will improve your riding for sure, good luck Smile
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PostPosted: 03:07 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2wheelsteve wrote:
no countersteering well you can but very gentley


What!?! Confused
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can lean just as far in the wet as in the dry. just do it more smoothly.

Smooth is the key in the wet, look further ahead and plan things earlier so nothing takes you by surprise...no sudden movements

Or you could start 4 days off on monday so you dont need to ride and can just use the car/stay in bed
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t forget GOOD waterproofs since nothing worse at distracting you when riding if you have damp patches or your cold and wet.

Otherwise like most others have said take it easy, Leave bigger gaps and breaking distance use the rear brake more Ect...
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also there’s wet and there’s wet. I find that a super heavy downpour in fairly warm weather can provide surprising amounts of grip. At the other end of the scale you get damp roads in winter where it hasn’t rained for days and the road is covered with salt. The salt attracts moisture from the air in the evening and becomes very slippery indeed.

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
Brakes dont work for atleast 2 seconds after you have pressed the lever.


I’ve had this happen in very specific conditions. When very cold with lots of heavy rain and plenty of standing water. Usually when filtering in heavy traffic and speeds are less than 30mph with minimal use of the brakes. You pull the lever and there’s no initial bite. It soon dries off and works, but that first second of nothing is a pain. It doesn’t happen at faster speeds because the centrifugal forces throw water off the disk and it doesn’t happen if the brakes are warm from lots of use.

The other thing to watch out for in the wet is crap on the outside of your visor and mist on the inside. I have Pinlock on my visor now which has completely eliminated any fogging. Oncoming car headlights at night can render you a bit blind if your visor is covered with water droplets. I also find filtering through stationary traffic at night when it’s raining has a similar effect with all the brake lights. My visor stays clearer when it’s actually raining though. It’s worse when the roads are wet and covered with filthy, salty crap that gets thrown up by vehicles in front.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that more important than grip/brakes is your own comfort so that you're able to concentrate on these things. When it's wet, your visor misting up can be a pain unless you have something like a Pinlock or other anti-fog insert. Having a glove with some sort of 'wiper' surface is great as your visibility is reduced to bugger all in the rain, especially with the spray from other vehicles as well.

Usual stuff really - don't lean or brake when you're going over wet leaves, manhole covers, white paint (like mini roundabouts or other big road markings) and watch out for rainbow coloured patches in the road as they're diesel spills which will cost you lots of grip!
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been riding 3 years come rain or shine every day, and after a while you don't even notice the difference.
Just don't ride like a twat and avoid manholes covers and harsh acceleration on the paint.
Depends on what power your bike is too, since I took my restrictors out my back wheel slips a teeny bit if I give it too much beans in the wet.
My other halfs TL proper squirms even riding normally in wet over paint where as mine doesn't.
When I was on the 125 I never found the bike slipping ever, not even on paint at lights/roundabouts.
Do be gentle with the back brake I've fishtailed once or twice in the wet, also make sure you match the revs when going down a gear.

Or is that just a v twin thing when the back wheel squirms if you go down a gear without blipping the throttle?
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:
2wheelsteve wrote:
no countersteering well you can but very gentley


What!?! Confused



Yeah I meant dont ride that hard so as to force the bike over into bends putting more stress on your limited traction, I am living proof that can be disasterous hitting a bend to hard in the wet, countersteering and losing the front, good luck Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spit-Fire wrote:
any one tired a pair of wets on the road?


They're not road legal.

I understand PB did it once, they were mega until they got onto a motorway then wore themselves pretty quickly.

Race Wets are a mega soft compound, if the road started to dry when you were out they'd be knackered very quickly.

On track in the rain they are pretty awesome.
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