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flamegrape
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Shakey chain Reply with quote

I had my bike on a paddock stand tonight cleaning the chain etc. To shake off any excess paraffin and crap before re greasing it I slipped her into first and let out the clutch. The chain ran smoothly but at times started shaking badly. I shot a video clip of it to show rather than try to explain it.

The bike rides smoothly and I've not seen this before. Is this a major problem - or should I not worry?

Any info = much appreciation!! Thank you Smile
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike does it too when up on the stand. It's just because the idle speed varies slightly as far as I can tell. Only does it if sat on idle.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Noxious89123.
The ride is nice so I'm not too concerned. Smile
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to running on idle there will be times when the wheel is running a little quicker than the chain. What you are seeing is the chain being pushed rather than pulled.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Due to running on idle there will be times when the wheel is running a little quicker than the chain. What you are seeing is the chain being pushed rather than pulled.

Ahhh!! ... Momentum carrying the wheel... so if and when the idle speed drops, the momentum is pushing the chain instead of it being pulled by the drive from the engine??
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup.

On another note, I hope your not cleaning the chain whilst it's in gear like that. *Que nasty photos*. I once pinched my thumb between chain and sprocket whilst turning it very lowly by hand. It hurt considerably.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On another note, I hope your not cleaning the chain whilst it's in gear like that.

God no!! I've seen pics in Fast Bikes and Super Bike mags. NASTY!! I had the engine off and using WD-40 and paraffin to clean the shit offov the chain and started it just to clear the crap. I'm mentally scarred after seeing those pics so I do it manually and in the opposite direction!! Hope you've learned your lesson sir?! lol.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 10 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good good. Funnily enough, I was trying to be really careful, but was paying too much attention to my cleaning hand and not enough to my "moving the chain" hand. Doh!
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Yup.

On another note, I hope your not cleaning the chain whilst it's in gear like that. *Que nasty photos*. I once pinched my thumb between chain and sprocket whilst turning it very lowly by hand. It hurt considerably.



I caught my thumbnail between a rear sprocket tooth and the chain whilst spinning it quickly by hand - it hurt like hell, I can only imagine how painful the ripped off fingers of people doing it in gear are.


As above thoug,h it's normal for it to shake about a bit when on a stand and running.
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny2010 wrote:
I had the engine off and using WD-40 and paraffin to clean the shit offov the chain


DO NOT use WD40 on a chain, you WILL knacker it ... WD40 will eat the grease between the links and it can also react with certain synthetic rubbers and cause swelling (extra friction = wear)!!

All the best ... Barry
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the WD40 can get past te O-rings, the chain is going to fail soon anyway.

Someone did a test on O-rings, using different chemicals in lots of little boxes and dropping a rubber o-ring in each one, and then seeing what the effect was on the rubber. The swelling caused by WD40 was in the range of ~0.02mm.

There are much better chemicals for chain cleaning though.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 11 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep the whole *gasp* don't touch a chain with WD40 is just scare story based on no real fact. The O-rings or X-rings should stop the WD40 getting past so, as said, if they do let it past then the chain is knackered anyway and so the risk is the same as using any solvent. WD40 doesn't damage o-rings either so that too is unfounded.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 12 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Someone did a test on O-rings, using different chemicals in lots of little boxes and dropping a rubber o-ring in each one, and then seeing what the effect was on the rubber. The swelling caused by WD40 was in the range of ~0.02mm.


Was that on chain specific O-rings, or any of them?

I ask because I often use WD40 to plump up a dried out (either by time or by leaking it in front of a fan heater) O-ring, and it adds a good 20% to the size. Only thing I've found that works better for swelling them is ATF.
A lot of people use ATF as chain lube, because it keeps them so clean and well lubricated. I do too, but I don't use O-ring chains.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 12 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they may have been from a chain, yes. They were certainly that sort of size.
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