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stonesie
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Hi folks, another new rider... CBT passed :) Reply with quote

Hi folks, I'm Matt from Doncaster and I'm getting the itch to go onto 2 wheels rather than my usual 4. So far I'm looking at a 2nd hand Honda CG125 as everyone I've talked to who knows bikes says 'you cant go wrong with those, good starter bike because they cant go fast either' Laughing


I did my cbt back when I was 16... 12 long years ago so that's going to be re-done and then I will have to get a helmet and jacket ect

Any pointers are greatly appreciated.

Matt


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PostPosted: 13:32 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG's are known to have bombproof reliability, although not exactly inspiring to ride.
I did my CBT and a few days practice on a CG, and quite enjoyed the experience. (Was still glad to get thru my DAS and on to something a bit meatier though!!) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other half had a Yamaha YBR125 when she was doing her lessons. Looks a bit meatier than the CG if you ask me, but pretty much the same thing. Tend to get passed on every 6 months with an extra 1000 miles on them.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are loads of examples out there with as many owners as years behind them, I viewed one yesterday evening and the only good thing on it was the engine, first kick and it settled into a sewing machine like idle.
Shame it was as rough as a badgers arse in every other way, even spat oil out of the left fork when he stopped it, none of the lights worked, no mirrors, buggered tyres and he still wants £400 Shocked



Anyhow, on a happier note since my last post I have booked my CBT, for the 13th... Good job A) It's not a Friday. B) I'm not really superstitious.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing about the bike market is that unlike cars (whose value drops like a brick in a pond from new to zero), there is always value in a working MOTd bike.

Once you get onto a big bike you'll find that 1000 is a typical starting point for a bike Her Majesty's Government consider rideable and 2000 is more realistic for a bike you yourself will consider rideable.

As for 125s - well for obvious reasons the market is more liquid, but you probably still want to double that number if you want to actually use it as a bike rather than just having something to get a bit of practice on and drop a few times. The bike market is seasonal and you're buying at the top of it.

If you're just looking for a bike to practice on (and you're over 21) then throw the money at your DAS instead and get a big bike once you've passed.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck on your CBT! I did a geared lesson on a CG, nice bikes Smile
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
you probably still want to double that number if you want to actually use it as a bike rather than just having something to get a bit of practice on and drop a few times.



I know but lets be realistic, my only 2 wheel experience is 6 months on a Suzuki AE50 twist-n-go thing, 'Style' I think it said on it, coming up to 12 years ago, in an effort to stop it fouling its plug I took the gas axe to the exhaust to burn all the crap out of it, a big washer dropped out and my mate clocked me at 45 according to the speedo on his 125.

The CG will be dropped sooner or later and repaired then probably dropped again Thumbs Up I'm a former car mechanic so it shouldn't be a problem, and a mate runs a powder coating firm so it might get tarted up once I've finished wobbling my way to work and back... I'm a natural fiddler so improvements will be made Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Hi folks, another new rider... Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
I'm looking at a 2nd hand Honda CG125
Any pointers are greatly appreciated.


Hi Matt,

It's true all you hear about the cg125, but the problem is twofold, they are not available new and everyone that has one to sell second hand wants copious amounts of money for it. If I were you, I would consider the KYMCO Pulsar 125cc(new) which is the approximate equivalent of cg125. In fact, I am seriously considering buying one myself, as a second bike, because I don't hold out much hope for the British pound, a good example of this is the new Yamaha wr250 which retails at a wopping 6 grand! totally ridiculous.

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PostPosted: 19:44 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The KYMCO Pulsar 125 looks good, but a few mixed reviews and I have a bid in on a CG at the moment on Ebay, definitely something to think about though if I don't get the CG, although I would hate to drop a new one.


Thanks for that olanzapine Thumbs Up

Matt.


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PostPosted: 19:54 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dazbo666 wrote:
CG's are known to have bombproof reliability

CG smoking!!
CG125 Starting Problem
CG Headlamp
CG 6V flasher Problems?????
CG125 Won't Start
CG 1989 Vavles ?
Honda CG swapping bits around (forks)
Honda CG Spoke missing
CG125 Problems
cg running bad on idle
CG125 Exhaust
Honda CG125 Dead Battery
CG125 Chain/Sprocket Advice
CG125 Steering Lock
CG125 1996 BR-T hesitation and bogging down at high revs
Honda CG Gearbox Noise

Errr.... yes... welll..... those are the titles of posts in the first few pages of posts on 'workshop' that say "CG".....

You CAN go wrong with them! And they MAY be pretty tough.... but they are NOT indestructable! They DO wear out, and they DO need maintenence! (Lots of those posts, I'm SURE are becouse people REALLY believe that hey are SO 'bomb-proof' they dont even need to check the oil.... let alone change it occassionally!) Good news though is that they ARE easy to work on!

Beware bikes that are victims of their own reputation. DONT take the suggestion they are bomb-proof TOO litterally.

Get a good'n, trat it right, though, and should do you well enough!
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Dazbo666 wrote:
CG's are known to have bombproof reliability

CG smoking!!
CG125 Starting Problem
CG Headlamp
CG 6V flasher Problems?????
CG125 Won't Start
CG 1989 Vavles ?
Honda CG swapping bits around (forks)
Honda CG Spoke missing
CG125 Problems
cg running bad on idle
CG125 Exhaust
Honda CG125 Dead Battery
CG125 Chain/Sprocket Advice
CG125 Steering Lock
CG125 1996 BR-T hesitation and bogging down at high revs
Honda CG Gearbox Noise

Errr.... yes... welll..... those are the titles of posts in the first few pages of posts on 'workshop' that say "CG".....


Maybe because unlike the Fuckysucky125 (the chinese exact same official -made in the same factory honest - copy of the CG,) the CG is one of the more common bikes chosen by learner motorcyclists? Rolling Eyes

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Lots of those posts, I'm SURE are becouse people REALLY believe that hey are SO 'bomb-proof' they dont even need to check the oil.... let alone change it occassionally!) Good news though is that they ARE easy to work on!


Or maybe.... Just maybe... This is due to the mechanical inexperience of aforementioned learner motorcyclists?
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 1996 CG125 BR-T i think i am the 11 or 12 owner of the bike and had it just over 2 years. Only needed new battery and a few bulbs in the speedo.

It now needs abit more doing to it like new chain and sproket also check the fork seals as if the stantions are pitttied it will eat the seal.

Check out prices for parts just so you get an idea of how much it is to replace stuff. wemoto is one site i have used there are others.

YBR125 are nice did my 2nd CBT on one, nice to have a few luxuries like rev counter and electric start Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CBT was on a YBR 125, found it pretty slow but was also pretty fun Smile

I'm going to collect my 125 tommorow, a pretty steep learning curve as I have to ride it 60 miles home.... Lol Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 07 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

lozzypop1 wrote:
Maybe because unlike the Fuckysucky125 (the chinese exact same official -made in the same factory honest - copy of the CG,) the CG is one of the more common bikes chosen by learner motorcyclists? Rolling Eyes

Or maybe.... Just maybe... This is due to the mechanical inexperience of aforementioned learner motorcyclists?


HUNDREDS of reasons why people may be asking questions about repairing CG125's, thier popularity since 1974 being just one of them. The mechical expertise of the typical 'learner' also another very valid one, penny pinching attitude to maintenence, by typical learner or commuter yet another. Fact that they stopped making them in, what, 2002, so the CG's out there are all apraching or now beyond the limit of thier original service life, another still.

Point is that they CAN, and often DO go wrong. JUST like any other bike, whether its made in Japan, Tiwan, China, India, Italy, Spain, Germany, or the Ukraine!

I think I got my point accross, Lozzy, curiouse though you 'snipped' it when you quoted me....

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Beware bikes that are victims of their own reputation. DONT take the suggestion they are bomb-proof TOO litterally.

Get a good'n, treat it right, though, and should do you well enough!

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PostPosted: 18:56 - 08 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Green

I have just won the auction for this
130406539617

Not a bad price I think, just got to get it picked up now as it's 75 miles away and wont fit in the car... Gloves, helmet and jacket ordered from Ghostbikes to celebrate.


This site is a goldmine of useful info and links Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey up Matt from Donny.

Bet you can't wait to pick your bike up and good luck with your cbt

Why don't you pick it up after the 13th then you can ride it home Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Jodie Laughing

If only you knew my sense of direction Laughing If I had been born a homing pigeon I would have been in a pie (or a fox) years ago Laughing


Would probably end up sleeping on my brother's sofa in Newport Shocked


I got lost on my way to work yesterday, ok ok they had closed the motorway slip road so I had to do a detour at some mph... It was 4AM and I was on time, brakes were slightly warm though.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Go for it man, print a route planner off tinter web then stop every 10 mins to check where you are Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stonesie wrote:
Mr. Green
I have just won the auction for this
130406539617


Hey stonesie,

Checked your bike out on ebay, not bad you have what appears to be a nice specimen cg125, I say though, are you not worried about its 38400 miles on the clock?

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PostPosted: 22:41 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah not at all worried about that, although it will be getting a full service, decent oil, new plug ect before I put it into full time use...

Will just see how it goes but I do know engines very well, used to build car/van engines for a living and did my mechanics apprenticeship with Honda... Can't wait to get tinkering, never played with 'points' before Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a 16 year old bike, which he's snaffled for pretty much bottom book for ANYTHING with T&T on it.
38K is barely 2K a year, which for a commuter bike, is not a lot.
If he gives it a good once over, apreciates the bargain he's snaffled, and chucks a little dosh and TLC at it, gets a Haynes manual, and does a full service, and a bit of precautionary and preventative maintenece, could prove a very useful little bike for quite some miles to come!

Maintenence advice?
after the Hayned manual;
Get that enclosed chain cover off, have a good look at chain & sprokets. Thats a CG speciality, the enclosed chain guard is good for chain life EXCEPT 'out of sight-Out of mind' and people dont bother ajusting it till it starts jumping off the cogs!
(New C&S if you are flush with your bargain would be a good thing)
Like renewing the front brake cable. Last thing you want to have snap on you. again, often neglected, they sieze up, get oiled to free them off, and adjusted beyond reason on the adjustors to compensate for stretch. Get a Clutch cable too. They get hard worked on a learner/commuter.
Brakes; worth chucking in new shoes both ends for piece of mind, all nicely greased and adjusted.
Next, buy a length of new fuel hose, and a little inline filter. & if feeling flush a new fuel tap.
Areas that oft cause niggles, especially with crud getting in the carb and casuing poor running. If you use the old fuel tap, remove it, strip it and clean it before re-fit. should be a little sediment bowl in there, possibly with a filter in it, that benefits from periodic cleaning they rarely get!
New battery is a nice precaution too.
And a bit of time going over the bike, taking bulbs out, cleaning contacts, spraying with WD40 and re-fitting, saves a lot of electrical gremlins. Check the earths too.
Note bulb types and ratings, get spares if you can afford it. Little bikes can be a bit fiikity about bulbs, little generators and batteries dont damp the volts as well as on big bikes.
If feeling super-flush, treat it to new tyres. Good-Ones, NOT ecconomy tyres.
'Cheap' commuters often get them as course, they are hard, dont wear out, last forever, but dont grip too good!
Good tyres cost a bit more, but the difference in grip is well worth it, and unless you crank up silly mileages, you'll probably still not wear them out!
Change teh fork oil, as a matter of course during service, too, as the engine oil. MAYBE worth doing a fork strip and overhaul. Not hard. Seals are about a fiver on e-bay. Add gaiters to protect the chrome on the stansions while you are at it.
Bit of TLC like that will make the bike scrub up really well, AND you'll get to know it a bit more intimately, while making it nicer to ride, more reliable, more confidence inspiring AND safer.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 09 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've priced up a pair of Michelin Pilot Sporty's Cool

And just ordered a Haynes for it, I'm just starting 2 weeks off work so will have plenty of time to get familiar with the young pup (my cars 21) and from my car experience I am already a fan of EBC brakes, although some websites charge much more for the front shoes than the rear... EBC's site lists them as the same part number Rolling Eyes

Were up to 4 now (people at work who have had CG 125's) and none of them have had anything but praise for them Thumbs Up

EDIT

No they don't, Front is H330 the Rear is H303... Opticians for me I think, must be getting old Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 12 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBT tomorrow over at 'Bikesafe' in Sheffield, can't believe the anticipation Laughing I passed it when I was 16 and knew bugger all about driving/riding, 12 years on should be no problem.


And had a nice box of goodies waiting for me when I got home from my car track day at Croft, Helmet, jacket and gloves Smile

Bit of a bugger really as I had to hire a helmet there Karma
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 12 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck Stonesie for tomorrow

Fingers crossed it doesn't piss it down all day for you.

I'd take some waterproofs just incase Smile
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