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Quite new to biking and need some advice about going round corners. I'm finding that I'm slowing down too much and getting to the apex thinking I could have gone round twice as fast.
I'm happy leaning the bike over but nervous about pushing too far.
If I was in a car and push too much I'd feel understeer or the wheels would screech before it slides out. What are the signs that I'm pushing a bike too much, do the tyres screech or slide, or does it all just go horribly wrong
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| Posted: 18:29 - 15 Jul 2010 Post subject: |
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I know some people won't recommend it. But find a nice quiet roundabout, and just keep going round it getting lower each time, you will soon get used to what the bike can do, and you will learn to feel what the front and the back of the bike are doing. Or, book a track day, there's nothing like teaching you what your bike can really do other then a track day, cadwell are doing track days for £89 through the summer at the moment, so its good value as well! Track days are the best way to learn your bikes abilities!
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| SamJL wrote: | I know some people won't recommend it. But find a nice quiet roundabout, and just keep going round it getting lower each time, you will soon get used to what the bike can do, and you will learn to feel what the front and the back of the bike are doing. Or, book a track day, there's nothing like teaching you what your bike can really do other then a track day, cadwell are doing track days for £89 through the summer at the moment, so its good value as well! Track days are the best way to learn your bikes abilities! |
I have done this on a bypass on the outskirts of town for many, many laps. Thinking about countersteering, hanging half my arse off, pointing my knee backwards and locking the outside leg into the tank and so on.
Result 1: I have slightly worn away the chicken strips left by the previous owner on the right hand side.... something I am very proud of after riding for just a month; theres about 1/2"-1/4" left. Fitting Renthal Ultra Lows feels a gazillion times better too.
Result 2: I am not much more confident on left handers!
Heres a quick question for you lot though and hopefully not too much of a thread highjack: I have a newish Pilot Road on the front and a Michelin Macadam on the rear. The back can feel a little squirmy and I am unsure if its the tyre (everything I can find about them seems to indicate commuting only) or my body position. Any thoughts? A bit of both? Two wheels feel natural to me, I was a DH mountainbiker for a long time but this motorbike malarky is a bit different and I'm still not entirely sure whats going on underneath me!
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| Posted: 20:31 - 15 Jul 2010 Post subject: |
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I'm a new rider, be wary of overcooking it and ending up in the wrong lane !! ... practice makes perfect i spose .. 
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Thanks for the replies. I'll take your advice and hopefully my confidence will build as time goes on
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Lol wut. They still make Macadams?!  Those were recommended fitment for my bike... 10 years ago.
On a more serious note, if you do feel that you've overcooked it going into a corner, try not to panic. Keep calm. Don't straighten the bike up and stand on the brakes. Just roll off the throttle and force yourself to keep leaning the bike over.
And if you must brake, use the back. It's easier to recover from a rear end skid than it is the front. It's just a case of having confidence in the bike and tyres, and being comfortable knowing it can go that fast / that low.
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Well i had my first proper near miss, when a car pulled out on me, i was wearing my big yellow top and belly, was doing about 40, knew the outer lane was clear so performed a rather impressive manouver ..
Anyway slow in fast out is allways good, getting use to oyur bike and picking better lines, along with leaning it over more if need be, head on crashes should be avoided at all costs ... even if you deem yourself to be to slow into a corner, gives you an excuse to full throttle it out of the corner ..125 cc ... that is ..
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Shouldn't it all be about carrying speed through the corners on a 125, not slow in fast out?
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Maybe, but i was without saying refering to the most riding i do .. which is around town ... your right on the open road with a 125 is somewhat different to a powerfull bike ..
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To start with don't worry about your speed at all, practice your lines. Got taught this on the advanced training and also on track. It's the way forward!
After you crack your lines, then worry about picking your speed up.
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| SamJL wrote: | I know some people won't recommend it. But find a nice quiet roundabout, and just keep going round it getting lower each time, you will soon get used to what the bike can do, and you will learn to feel what the front and the back of the bike are doing. Or, book a track day, there's nothing like teaching you what your bike can really do other then a track day, cadwell are doing track days for £89 through the summer at the moment, so its good value as well! Track days are the best way to learn your bikes abilities! |
Hmmm. Yes & No. The race track is a very deceptive place to ride. With run-off area and a distinct lack of street furniture or 'usual' references by the kerb, lack or road marking etc, it can be quite surreal, and speeds deceptive. And with a smooth (well, smoother than most roads least wise!) graded and delugrip surface giving an awful lot more tyre adhesion than you get even on the 'best' roads, it will flatter a bikes abilities.
It can give you a 'feel' for how the bike behaves pulling higher speeds and corner forces though.
| CHR15 wrote: | go out with someone experianced, get them to follow you round a certain corner a couple of times. Then swap, so there infront. get them to go round faster than you did (but not bomb off in to the distance) and follow them, taking the same line as they do. |
Good advice, but the 'experienced' rider also has to know what they are doing! An AWFUL lot dont, and this kind of excersise can wind up simply with you 'cloning' some-one elses style complete with faults!
Snowtigeress is a good example of this. She's actually a vert competant rider, and I HATE to say it, but given her head, I think she'd ride rings round a lot of people... even me! But she lacks experience and confidence. Most of her 'training' was following her twonk-ex about, and from watching her, its quite obviouse he wasn't a very confident rider, and very much a 'squid' ginegering it through the corners, and she's picked up on that neurocis, believing that becouse HE slowed down so much for bends she had to....
Its also bike dependent. Even similar bikes handle differently, even the same bike set up for different riders. JUST becouse another rider takes a certain line, and it works for them, dont mean it will be the 'best' line for you.
But in principle, 'Monkey-See-Monkey-Doo' is as good a way to learn as any, and DOES give outsde references to 'suck-it-and-see' and hope not to fall off!
So, taking the idea a little further, be good if you could ride with a few DIFFERENT people, and compare lines and styles, and mix THAT with some suck-it-and-see solo practice...
And what you got is an IAM course or similar..... worth a thought.
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| Rapdude wrote: | Anyway slow in fast out is allways good, |
| SamJL wrote: | Shouldn't it all be about carrying speed through the corners on a 125 |
| evoboy wrote: | Being alot looser and relaxed on the bike is the main thing to aid cornering. |
| Bishbash wrote: | To start with don't worry about your speed at all, practice your lines. Got taught this on the advanced training and also on track. It's the way forward! |
The 'Meat' of a lot of discussion on IAM type training, and all of it good advice, even though some-times it seems contradictory.
SIGHT LINES are paramount. Placing the bike so you can see as far up the road as you can, and reading the road so you can contend with the rises and dips, cambers and corners, junctions and other traffic.
The 'Fast-Line' is usually the one that gives the best sight-line; its alo the one that demands least braking and acceleration.
Braking and acceleration need tyre grip, as does steering (including leaning). Tyres have a certain 'amount' of grip, so the more you use braking or accelerating the less you have for steering.
Least steering, braking or accelerating you do, more grip you have 'in reserve', so you can go faster, or be so much further away from the limits, hence safer.
Its an old truism, but the 'fastest-line' is also the 'safest-line'... its just a matter of how close to the limits you are!
The 'key' is smoothness, 'Cool' riding, in the Miles-Davis 'Jazz' sense. Maximum effect, least effort. Being relaxed, and 'loose' is a part of that.
The 'less' work you do as the rider, switching gears, shifting weight, snatching levers, the more 'cool' you will ride.
LOTS and LOTS of riders thing that 'fast' means agressive or violent, and the more 'work' they do hauling on brakes, chuking the bike around neneath them, crawling all over the saddle, snapping the throttle wide open, the 'faster' they must be going. In fact they are often as far from the truth as they can get.
Its a demonstration police trainers like to give, chucking a car around a set of play-ground cones, squeeling tyres and hand-brake turning, to show hoe much time is wasted by such drama in the 'style', compared to being more measures and 'cool' about it all.
And there is ONE excersise, I'd reccomend, and that is the 'no-brake' ride. Object is to find a stretch of reasonably twisty national speed-limit country road, and ride it, touching the brakes as little as possible.
You ride it, and count the number of times you have to touch the brakes. Doesn't matter how fast or how slow you go, what matters is NOT using the brakes.
Repeat excersise and every time you get the number of braking incidents down, you win.
Idea is, that by NOT resorting to teh brakes to control speed, you HAVE to do it ALL on the throttle.
Remember, your CBT? did any-one quote the mantra, "Remember your first brake is your THIRD brake" (engine braking)
By trying to do it all on your third brake, NOT using the more 'violent' inputs of the front and rear wheel brakes, it encourages you to ride smoothly AND 'predictively', looking further ahead, picking your sight lines and setting yor speed for what you can see more delicately on the throttle.
As you start to develop that bit of technique, smoothness WILL improve, and you'll find that without ACTUALLY thinking about it, you'll start to feel a lot more confidence in the corners, and every-where else, come to think about it, and it wont FEEL like your going that much quicker, it'll PROBABLY feel like you aren't even trying.... (Thats when you'll know you have 'cracked it') but you WILL be going a lot faster.....
Took a lad out years ago pillion, so he wasn't watching the clocks, and on a particular set of S-bends, he normally took at about 30-40mph..... asked him how fast he reckoned we went round...
He reckoned we were doung about 40-50. I asked why, and he said, becouse you didn't 'have' to brake. I told him the REAL speed... we were doing 80.
DONT get hung up on it all. dont 'over think' whats going on. Deep-Breath, relax, and just ride it! aim for smoothness and speed will follow. Be cool, go fast!
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| Rapdude wrote: | a car pulled out on me, i was wearing my big yellow top and belly |
After i'd passed my test, i though i'd ride round with my high viz on, thinking it wouldn't do any harm.. but i cant believe how differently people treated me when wearing it as appose to just riding arround in my jacket, even on the ZZR people would pull out infront of me, would go out of there way to stop me filtering past etc it was shocking really.
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| Posted: 15:04 - 16 Jul 2010 Post subject: |
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Well it's apaclite berghaus tex one jacket ... and i did not have any go at the driver, i was speeding / filtering a junction ..their fault still, but knew i played my part .. 
Hi vis are too common place now for people to take much notice ..
The driver pulled out on me into a smaller cue of the three lanes, a move i was expecting, and thus avoided side on ..
Once i'd come to a stop after my acrobatics, a cat walked accross the wall near me and said i was too cool for him ..
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^^What Teflon-Mike said
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I was told on an advanced course that you can brake with the front while cornering but to save it for when you really need to.
If you take the corner/bend in the correct gear at the right speed etc as well as planning ahead then you should'nt really need to use the brakes but as said above if you encounter an unexpected hazard such as diesel on a bend then as long as it's safe to do so that would be the time to ask for extra help from the brakes, I may be wrong though
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