Just done an MOT history check online.

[c_dug]

Oh joy!

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/MOT.jpg

Bought it with "32,000 miles", easiest way ever to loose money from the value of the bike!

c_dug
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Is this your bike ?
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[Mord]

Wow! I wish I could do that check BEFORE I buy a bike. I need a better phone with internet access

[ms51ves3]

Is it in import then judging by the kilometre clock?

[c_dug]

It is my bike, didn't know it was an import or anything untill the day before yesterday when I did the check.

Got suspicious because I went on the guys ebay account randomly and noticed that he had bought a couple of other bits for a ZZR 600, including clocks (on higher mileage so if its these clocks they have been wound back) and also more worryingly a set of barrells, no idea why it would need them.

Seems to run alright but im not sure what to do now, had it for around 2 months now.

c_dug
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[c_dug]

p.s. notice the coulor says red not purple
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[yen_powell]

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250635494918

Is this it?? If it was MOTd on the KM clock they sometimes write the KM reading as if it is miles.
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[c_dug]

thats smart.

That's the one.
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[yen_powell]

Sorry, meant to add, that 85,000 km is about 50,000 miles.
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[Mord]

[c_dug]

Yep, didn't think it had gone round the clock or anything, my dad told me it was around 50k miles too. Still wondering why it needed the new barrells too though. Plus an extra 20k miles is still alot (albeit better than an extra 100k or something rediculous!)

c_dug
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[swiftb]

Sounds well dodgy. Maybe its been stolen/recovered without being reported, and the clocks are an obvious ploy to get extra cash from the sale. I would certainly be kicking up a stink, probably make printouts of his ebay goings on and contact him demanding some cash back or your going to the police. Worth a go. If he has any kind of legitimate reason for the clock/mileage change it should have been mentioned to you before purchase.

[imanupstart]

Haha awesome, dodgy Dave Bliss is just up the road from me

[nasty]

My previous MOT read xxxxx KM
Had it MOT'd yesterday and they put xxxxx Miles

That does my head in as the clocks are in KM as it's an import.
From the MOT yesterday my bike looks like it's got 30k odd miles when it's actually 30k odd KM
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[swiftb]

Ah it seems you meant barrells and pistons not ignition barrel. Seems like he was over keen when winding the clocks back when he fitted the new mph dials then Dodgy tw@t. Dont let this geezer shaft you chase it up.

[0ddball]

Unless he said the milage was genuine (and you can prove this) you haven't got a leg to stand on. Changing the mileage is not illegal.

[c_dug]

[Teflon-Mike]

12 year old ZZR6 for under a grand, in what looks like reasonably tidy fettle.
Seen them going for between £600 and £1200 depending on age, mileage condition, with T&T on them. Lower end often pretty scratty.
e-bay description doesn't offer much. He doesn't WARRANT the mileage genuine, and the 'previousely registered overseas' flag wass left empty.
So it HAD Km clocks on it, suggesting its been imported.
He HASN'T strictly declared or described it as being a 100% genunely UK bike from new.
He HAS stated the recorded mileage, as was on the clocks FITTED to the bike. Just hasn't decalred that they weren't the originals.
'Caveot-emptyor' - Buyer-Beware, second hand bike, 'sold as seen'.
He could plead ignorance to it not being a UK bike, and claim he has't mislead any-one becouse he never decalred it one way or the other.
On the clocks, he could again, claim that his 'ommittion' to decalre teh clocks had been changed was becouse he didn't know, or that he chose not to. He didn't declare the mileage warranted, he offered te bike for sale 'as-seen' you saw, you bought.
You could wave the other e-bay purchases he's made around, like the barels and the clocks, and he can just shrug and say they werwe for a 'mate' who doesn't have an e-bay account, but he met in the ZZR owners club so has the same bike! He can say he bought them to stick on his mantle-piece or anything he likes, really, cant he.
ONUS is on you to PROVE he has done something against the e-bay rules or trading standards.
He sold motorcycle. You came you saw, you paid for it.
Unless you can find something SERIOUSELY defective with the machine, like it having the wrong frame or engine numbers, or a twisted frame or something, that is WELL beyond the limits of 'reasonable wear and tear' and that he COULD NOT have FAILED to know about....
You DONT really have MUCH cause for come back....
But backing up to the top.
12 year old, tidy condition middleweight all-rounder, taxed tested, and presumeable riding OK, for under a grand?
Apart from being peeved that some-one HASN'T been as perhaps 'honest and upfront' as you would have liked.....
Do you feel 'ripped off'?
Have you been sold a bike that you CANT use?
BEFORE you did the search, you were presumeably happy that the bike was good value for money?
What's changed?
Resale value? By your 'honest' standards?
When you sell the bike, in how ever long, how much will it be worth and how much MORE might it have been worth if you didn't, to salve your concience have to declare it was a grey-import with non original clocks and unwarranted mileage?
And if you show the MOT history, showing the original 50K before clock-swap, and BE honest, do you think you'll get ANY less than if you didn't?
Its a bitch when people lie to you, but bottom line is, have you been ripped off, and is the bike any less useful to you?
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[c_dug]

Nope, to be honest I didnt even consider saying anything to the seller untill people started saying to on here, not sure how much an 20k miles effects the value of the bike, but I wouldn't have payed what I did for mine if I had known the extra mileage.

I'll be honest when I come to sell it and see what I get I guess, not much more I can do than that.

I guess its a lesson for everybody else though!

c_dug
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[jimspeed]

if it an import it will say on the V5.. if not maybe it has had the KM clocks fitted due the the origionals packing up or something and he's fitted the MPH ones to make it easier to sell?
maybe.
like i had to fit a universal MPH speedo to take my test on my own bike (was hyosung) so i tatted around for ages with it on before swapping back to the origional as it looked better to sell it (was only 200 miles different tho not 20K)
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[swiftb]

[jimster]

You can probably get the seller on:

(i) Fradulent misrepresentation;
(ii) Obtaining by deceipt;
(iii) Goods not as described (sale of goods act claim); and
(iv) Fraud.

Don't let him get away with it - clocking is a safety issue as much as anything else. Go to the police or go to the small claims court.

Unless you're not bothered, in which case just leave it. Personally I would get my cash back and give him the bike back.
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[The Tot]

You can probably get him done on grounds that "he got his bike serviced at rex judds!"... I used to live around the corner from them in Edgware, but now they've gone bust... They charged me something silly for a bulb change all them years ago.
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[27cows]

I don't think Mileage matters much, so long as the bike is in good running order. I've had bikes with 200,000+ miles up that were in great nick, because anything that had worn out had been replaced. Also had very low mileage bikes that had been neglected and were money pit piles of cack.
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