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PostPosted: 23:56 - 17 Jul 2010    Post subject: alarms Reply with quote

i was wondering after google'ing motorbike alarms i got this

https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/

i was thinking yea ace right in my price range the cyclone V2 non talking one

i showed it to the dealer when i was in for my MOT a few days ago and the parts guy told me i was an idiot basically and its some cheap ebay rubbish and the imobiliser on it will prob rape the bike i was just wondering what u lot think or maybe uv bought one from there and u can tell me if its decent stuff

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PostPosted: 02:31 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the "advanced motorcycle alarm v3". Have used it for nearly a year. Same company/website.

I posted about it on this thread:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=200693

Noteably it runs in parallel with the bike's electrics and so if it goes wrong it can simply be unplugged. Not so good for security (because when it's unplugged/snipped the alarm and immobiliser will both stop), but far better than risking being stranded (i try to avoid relying purely a mere alarm anyway, physical security is better). So i like it, but i'd probably go for a more basic version such as yours in future (as the additional features probably aren't worth the extra money). Maybe the talking one, because people listen to voices more (i can probably put up with the annoyance of it talking all the time).

I've been told that whatever alarm i get, it's going to break sooner or later (as well as recommended not to bother etc), so i figure spending 2 figures on it is far better than 3 figures!

Oh and let me guess, the dealer sells expensive branded alarms? Wink
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal opinion a alarm on a bike or a car come to that is a waste of time.....

How often do you hear them go off, and do you ever see anyone interested when they do.

Far better to invest in physical security.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
...Far better to invest in physical security.


An Almax Immobiliser chain and a Squire lock for me too.
(Plus a hefty security gate, 24H CCTV and a burly security guard when I'm at work) Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

had a meta, blew up wouldnt disarm, drained battery overnight, crap. got a data tool cat-1. the balls!
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a datatool S4 on my 636 and it was dog shite, absolutely no self discipline. I had a meta on my hayabusa and although it was well behaved I never once actually armed the alarm in two years.

My current bike has no alarm or immobiliser and I wont be fitting one for several reasons:

They are expensive to do right
They eat your battery
They misbehave
They can leave you stranded, or worse cut the bike out while riding
An alarm/immobiliser would have saved me 30 quid but cost hundreds to install

On top of that in todays society they dont really do much but piss people off. Physical security is the way forward in my opinion! As far as security at my work goes we have a 12 foot fence, gates operated under armed guard, full cctv coverage, a dedicated armed police force, guard dogs, an alarmed petimmeyer and a no fly zone overhead!
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most likely time to get your bike nicked is when you've had to abandon it somewhere unusual because the alarm has drained the battery.

I had to leave my bike in some dodgy places for uncomfortable periods of time due to the alarm fucking things up.

Ripped it out and bought a couple of Almax chains.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get a decent alarm/immobiliser and have it professionally fitted then you should have no problems with it.

I wonder how many of the people with problems have either bought cheaply or done a DIY install (or both).

I've had the same alarm on my bike for 13 years now and its never let me down.

Its also saved me a lot of money on insurance premiums over the years.

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PostPosted: 16:17 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have no room for a chain on the bike the underseat bit is tiny and allready has a toolkit and a 12v adapter in there with the adapters for charging the phone or gps
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dodgy S4 on my ninja was fitted by a Datatool engineer. A mates alarm on his triumph was factory fitted and still went bonkers. The S4 was something like 300 quid. Hardly cheap or badly fitted.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

grandmasterbobo wrote:
i have no room for a chain on the bike the underseat bit is tiny and allready has a toolkit and a 12v adapter in there with the adapters for charging the phone or gps


You've got your priorities wrong, take the toolkit out as I'd put money on you never using it, replace it with a disc lock for when you're out and about.

I have one of the cyclone ones, but wired up solely as an alarm. It works, but I'm under no illusion that no one will give a shit about it, it's more so I know someone's faffing with it. Been on for about 3 months with no battery issues. Need to be careful where you mount it though. First time I had it under the seat just behind the tank and you could take the bike of the stand without it disarming. Moving it to behind the rear light has made it much more sensitive.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
If you get a decent alarm/immobiliser and have it professionally fitted then you should have no problems with it.

I wonder how many of the people with problems have either bought cheaply or done a DIY install (or both).

I've had the same alarm on my bike for 13 years now and its never let me down.

Its also saved me a lot of money on insurance premiums over the years.

Mark


It depends largely on the bike and your usage patterns.

Try putting an alarm on a Mille which isn't ridden often and you'll sharply understand! This was a datatool one professionally fitted (not by me).
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is mostlly for when i go to derby in september to see a mate and as shes in a flat and theres no parking my options are to carry a chain in the backpack and chain it to the lamppost or the bike racking outside the entrance to the building but i want the alarm for extra really
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/node/27

I had this for around 2 years and it worked wonders. Then I got a new bike and fitted the alarm to the new bike. Then it kept going off all the time! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 18 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
do you ever see anyone interested when they do.


Do you think an alarm is for vigilantes to come running to your aid? Laughing

If my alarm goes off when I'm in ear shot I'll know. I'll sort it out. Thumbs Up

Handy things to have when you leave the bike on the drive over night. Peace of mind. Karma

Although I'd rather not have an immobiliser.
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PostPosted: 02:57 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that physical security alone is not enough peace of mind. Someone can kick my bike over, smash it to bits and all kinds, and i won't have a clue until i walk out the door of my friends house and realise that it's on the floor in pieces. Try smiling about it being chained to the lamp post then! I'd prefer both physical chain AND the alarm to know if somebody's trying to fcuk about with it so i can go and chase them off (or preferably catch them Cool ) . I find myself CONSTANTLY getting up and checking on my bike whenever i'm at a friends house etc. I can not settle. So i plan to fit an alarm to my next bike (post test) but I don't plan to have the 125 for long enough to warrant it Smile and I use my bike most days so the battery isn't too much worry at all.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

loply wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
If you get a decent alarm/immobiliser and have it professionally fitted then you should have no problems with it.

I wonder how many of the people with problems have either bought cheaply or done a DIY install (or both).

I've had the same alarm on my bike for 13 years now and its never let me down.

Its also saved me a lot of money on insurance premiums over the years.

Mark


It depends largely on the bike and your usage patterns.

Try putting an alarm on a Mille which isn't ridden often and you'll sharply understand! This was a datatool one professionally fitted (not by me).


Why does not riding it often affect whether or not it works?

Obviously the battery going flat would be an issue but that's not the fault of the alarm.

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PostPosted: 08:22 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
If my alarm goes off when I'm in ear shot I'll know. I'll sort it out. Thumbs Up

Handy things to have when you leave the bike on the drive over night. Peace of mind. Karma

Although I'd rather not have an immobiliser.


I guess you don't know how the thieves beat these on cars then... Same will work for a bike, If they can't lift it into a van.

Set the alarm off and hide, You reset it, set it off again, your reset it, they do this till you or the neighbours get sick and you leave it off.....
They then take it. Evil or Very Mad

I don't expect anyone to come running, but you would expect that walking passed a car/bike with the alarm going off, people would ask "Is that your's, or "are you OK". Not just ignore whoever is stood there. Confused

People just ignore now Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
I don't expect anyone to come running, but you would expect that walking passed a car/bike with the alarm going off, people would ask "Is that your's, or "are you OK". Not just ignore whoever is stood there. Confused

Most people will just walk past.

A video demonstrating pushbikes being stolen in New York openly in public with no one intervening, the only person who stopped and said anything was a thief giving advice about what tools to use. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


Last week I sold a bike. New keeper showed up with a van and we put the bike into the van. It took a good 5 minutes, loads of people walked pass without any interest.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the Cyclone C11 Alarm / Imobiliser / auto starter from the same place, arrived next day, fully fitted in about 1.5 hours, and worked perfectly, didn't drain the battery after being left for 3 weeks, never had any problems with it. Off the top of my head i'm pretty sure it wasn't insurance approved so didn't lower my premiums tho, but a good decent alarm.

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PostPosted: 14:54 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
People just ignore now Rolling Eyes


I know what you mean, alarms go that often people don't pay any attention any more. It's not even worth buying one for the insurance discounts as they're only 10%. As a biker I'd pay attention to someones bike alarm and I hope other bikers would do the same for me. Smile
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've fitted three cyclone type alarms, two to my own bikes and one to a ped. Each time, I didn't bother with the remote start or the immobiliser. If someone was going to try and hot wire the bike the anti-tamper/vibration heehaw should be triggered, if that doesn't scare them off the whole thing becomes superfluous.

Equally, If they've just chucked it a van, the alarm will sound (I understand the ne'er-do'wells pad the inside of their van with matresses to dampen the sound.) They can remove the alarm at their leisure at a later time and place.

I've had a bike stolen (one I didn't fit an alarm to) it was chained up but they just lifted the whole thing away, it was a KTM LC4. If it had been alarmed I would've been awoken and I might have seen something or been able to intervene.

Now I'm paranoid. Bike is alarmed, chained to the ground and has a disc lock/alarm in place. Its also parked behind security gates.

An issue I have is with so called secure parking. If its parking under a building or in a gated car park (as mine is now) its only going to be secure as far as you trust the people in the block of flats you reside, frankly I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could punt them so the alarms etc all go on with out fail.

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 19 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My opinions on alarms have been well documented on this forum.

In summary.

Buy a big chain and an angry dog.
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