No charges over G20 man's death

[Kris]

"An officer who was filmed apparently pushing a man to the ground during the G20 protests will not face charges over his death."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274


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[Mark65]

Did any one even expect him to be charged with anything?
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[GhostRider]

Apparently he couldn't even be charged with assault because it's been more than 6 months since the crime was committed. Which is rather fucking convienient isn't it. Someone should have told old Moaty that if he hacked it to 6 months he'd have got off scot free. Honestly, is it any fucking wonder he unloaded a shotgun into a cops face??

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[D O G]

It's crazy, and what I found even more interesting was that every member of the Question Time panel last night, and Portillo and Ed Milliband thought the same.

The whole thing stinks - like getting a very dodgy pathologist to do the PM, who then discarded litres of body fluid, including blood, found in the body cavity of the victim, so it couldn't be tested later. I can understand discrading 95 of it, but at least keep a sample?

Confidence in the police and justice system is destined to sink lower.

[pinkyfloyd]

i agree with the replies.... .seems to me that the most crooked crooks in the country are the cops and justice system

kill a cop and they lock you up and there was once talk of bringing back capital punishment for cop killers

cop kills a civilian and its not even a case of slappin their wrists and tellin them not to do it again. its a case of well done son u got away with that one

even when the video evidence clearly shows assault.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Afraid I agree with some of the points above.

What he should have been charged with I am not sure (probably assault, but possibly manslaughter) but to allow this slip (where they have investigated for so long that they have missed the window for charges) up is ridiculous

All the best

Keith
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[pinkyfloyd]

[GhostRider]

What makes it far more worse is the guy wasn't even involved in the protests whatsoever, he was walking home, and a policeman thought he'd have a bit of him for shits and gigs, so a policeman murdered this man for his own entertainment - not because he was keeping the peace, not because he saw the man as a danger to those around him, but simply because he thought he'd deal out a bit of punishment. For fucks sake, the guy didn't even show any kind of retaliation, he just carrys on walking, but oh no, thats not good enough for PC Cuntface, you WILL respect my AUTHRORATAAH!!

Words don't exist to express my utter disgust and hatred towards the murderer and the whole farce that was the enquiry, I'm not surprised it happened, but the fucking audacity of the way it's been concluded, how can they keep a straight face whilst spouting this bullshit and expect anyone to believe it for one fucking second. I hope his whole family dies of cancer.

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[Kickstart]

Hi

Murder is premeditated. Very high chance that he would easily have got out of that. Involuntary manslaughter is probably appropriate.

However assault looks to be pretty much automatic in this case. He did assault the dead guy, and the only real defence for that would be the need for self defence (ie, the defence used by the copper who beat the woman on the same day) which can't really be claim when the victim was walking away.

All the best

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[GhostRider]

Maybe so, but if I start swinging a baton around, I don't expect it to tickle...

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[D O G]

However appalling this decision is, there is still the disciplinary procedeures of the Met to happen, and I really don't think they'll fuck about.





Wait, what am I saying? I think he's in line for promotion!

[GhostRider]

[smegballs]

It's quite scary precedent to set, especially when

[Kickstart]

Hi

Trouble is that the first (quite probably bodged) autopsy doesn't say his death was caused by the assault but by natural causes. That makes a conviction difficult to secure for both manslaughter and for assault (which requires proof of harm) and any defence just needs to bring up the first autopsy and point out that the 2nd and 3rd didn't have the fresh corpse or all the parts.

That leaves a common assault charge which has timed out (and would only be a slap on the wrist anyway). Possibly they should have charged him with that withing the time limit even if they had put off the court case.

For the police to salvage anything from this (given even the Metropolitan Police Authority appear to think something should have been done) then the officer needs to dealt with (probably by expulsion from the police including loss of pension).

However it would seem that something also needs to be done to bring those to account who have bodged the investigation.

All the best

Keith
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[pa_broon74]

Agreed.

I understand that under those circumstances the police cannot stop and ask every single person what their intentions are but in this instance I think it's clear cut.

They had an ex-firearms officer on the JV show today and in between the usual middle class nimby squeeling you normally get this guy was trying to pisot the idea that they couldn't effectively bring charges because there wasn't enough information outside the CCTV and camera footage available.

I think he was trying to say that off-camera Tomlinson could have been part of the demostration and an agitator to boot. The PC's present may have been aware of information that wasn't in evidence in the video footage hence the potentially justified attack.

So by that logic. If I killed someone and they caught it on CCTV, I could just say 'well, basically round that corner back there where you people couldn't see, he looked at my bird in a funny way then knocked my pint over'. They'd say 'ahhhh, we never knew that, even although we have you on tape murdering a guy we can't prosecute because we have no way of proving if your actions where commensurate with the situation at that time'.

It really doesn't scan at all, plus all the carry on with the crap pathologist? Heads need to roll and not just the PC but those in charge of the investigation too.

Really bad show and makes not just the police but the people who are supposed to police them look bad too.

I wonder what the IPCC will do.


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[Kickstart]

[pa_broon74]

[D O G]

When prominent members of the establishment and government say that the decision is disgraceful, you know something is up.

It's as plain as day that the copper committed an illegal act, to end up in a situation where no prosecutions can be brought is utterly incompetant at best, and perversion of justice at worst.

[Kickstart]

[colin1]

The command structure diffuses responsibility.

The grunt was just obeying orders, and the commanding officers who made the decisions, werent the ones who did the deed.

Two philosophical questions are, if you could go back in time and kill hitler, would it be the right thing to do to save millions of lives, and the ticking time bomb scenario, where you have a terrorist who has planted a bomb and torture is justified to reveal the location of the bomb.

Both situations justify killing and torturing so all you need to do it point at someone and say he is the next hitler to kill him, or point at someone and say they are a terrorist and you can kill them too.

In future, I think there should be stricter rules about death squads roaming our streets. If nothing else, a few should have been transferred to other duties to give the suggestion that killing unarmed civilians is a bad thing to do. Even if they didnt technically break any procedures. Manslaughter at least.

If every armed response unit considered the possibility of being charged with manslaughter before they killed someone, they might be a bit less trigger happy. Although in this case, I think they were told to shoot to kill, so it was senior commands fault and its them that should have been charged.
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[colin1]

The nuremberg trials were show trials of the victors punishing the defeated.

Tony Blair will never be prosecuted for being stupid enough to believe bullshit about Iraq or devious enough to cook it up. Yet million or so Iraqis are still dead.

Those in power are never prosecuted, only the defeated, or ones who never had it.

Command structure succeeds in diffusing responsibility as the legal killing of a Brazilian has shown.

It was no one's fault, yet he is still dead. We cant punish anyone if it wasnt their fault.
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