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PostPosted: 06:39 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: new lid dilema Reply with quote

right lads and laddettes. the pinky one needs a new skid lid and is debating what to get.

does he get a flip up lid or a standard full face?

although the flip up lid has its practical uses, eg, you doesnt have to take it off constantly every time you stop. i hear it can be a lot noiser than the full face

so do i sacrifice noise reduction and go for practicality or just go for the full face lid?
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PostPosted: 06:44 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get one that fits your head the best.... Thumbs Up

Current lid is flip front and it is actually quieter than the last full face Confused
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like flippers and have 2 caberg justissimo's.they are good for normal legal speeds etc but pretty terrible for hi speed noise wise and the vents dont seem to do a lot at all.
just got a shark also,only a cheapy but its a lot quieter and stays put at 100+,which is important Smile
the vents on it are also much better.
prolly not a lot of help but yes flips are a lot noiser and cumbersome tho have their uses,spesh with the flipdown dark visor inside.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a flip front Caberg Justissimo but then I am only doing 65mph absolute max.

So useful, helmet on, can still have a fag, fill up with fuel, have a drink, look like a bit of a tit etc.

Definitely wouldn't use a flip front on a bike if I was planning on exceeding 70mph. Also can be noisy.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm not big on doin high speeds but do occaisonally hammer it around the countryside. My current helmet has an internal sun visor and as far as im concerened the new one has to at least have that
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

forx wrote:
i like flippers and have 2 caberg justissimo's.they are good for normal legal speeds etc but pretty terrible for hi speed noise wise and the vents dont seem to do a lot at all.

I didn't find the Caberg to be worse than a Shoei for noise really.
However I did find that on a sports bike it put too much weight on my neck, so gone back to a Shoei XR for that. Fine on the KTM though and liked being able to flip it up for lots of situations.

The Cabergs are particularly heavy - the Shoei flip is around 10% lighter.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers lads. the flip up i wanted they didnt have in the colour i wanted it so settled for a duchinni full face mat black thing D409, as i am on a tight budget.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a flip one for local/good weather, but anything further afield or in the wet I use the full face. It's nice to have a choice.
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.



That's what has always put me off them. A hard smack on the chin will open the thing and leave your face on the road.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MonkeyKnuckle wrote:


A hard smack on the chin will open the thing and leave your face on the road.


sounds like it could be an improvement to me Laughing

i settled for a full face lid in the end tho so we'll never know Surprised
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schuberth C3 are supposed to be really quiet but a bit on the expesnive side for a flipo Rolling Eyes

But if you've already got a full face it doesn't really matter Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nasty wrote:
Schuberth C3 are supposed to be really quiet but a bit on the expesnive side for a flipo Rolling Eyes

But if you've already got a full face it doesn't really matter Very Happy


I have the C3 and it's extremely quiet. It's even quieter than the previous Schuberth S1 Pro that I had.

Apparently the C3 was tested as a full face lid too, so should be safer than some of the other flip fronts.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.


I heard from some paramedics that full face helmets were a killer if when the rider fell he hit the deck chin first as the force of the impact would break his neck due to the chin strap....

So it would appear it swings in roundabouts...personally I prefer the old style open face helmets.....
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 22 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.


I went face first in my cheapy nasty tatty nitro flip lid.

It lasted... just! I wouldnt recommend one that flips, but at the same time, i found it like a piece of heaven at petrol stations/putting glasses on..
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.


When they publish SHARP ratings for flip-ups they include the percentage of impacts in which the front stayed locked closed... it ranges from less than 25% to 100% depending on model.

Definitely check it out if you're thinking of buying one. I did look for one when buying my first helmet but I couldn't find one that I liked that also fit properly within budget... that made my decision a lot easier Razz
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PostPosted: 03:40 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.


It's worth noting that while that paramedic has possibly attended crashes where it has flipped up, they may have been cheapo flip fronts with plastic catches etc. Perhaps they may have been riding with the chinbar already up.

I have had the justissimo smashed all round and it stayed solid. I also had a mate who was riding ahead of me hit a barbed wire fence and get launched into the field between 60 and 70mph wearing a caberg trip.

The chinbars were still solid on both crashes. It's also worth noting that both of us never lost conciousness (although my mate looked really shocked when he took his own helmet off and looked up at me thinking he was going to be dead.)

It's also worth noting that the police and paramedic bikers use flip front helmets.

Tbh saying that flip fronts can open in a crash is similar to saying "don't ride because bikers who crash have a high risk of serious injury or death"

I am going for a fixed chin just because I no longer smoke and don't like wind noise. I guess there's the bonus that there's one less thing to fail in a crash.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Some paramedics I spoke to a few years back told me never ever to buy a flip front lid. The flip part often fails in a crash leaving you with no face.


It's worth noting that while that paramedic has possibly attended crashes where it has flipped up, they may have been cheapo flip fronts with plastic catches etc. Perhaps they may have been riding with the chinbar already up.

I have had the justissimo smashed all round and it stayed solid. I also had a mate who was riding ahead of me hit a barbed wire fence and get launched into the field between 60 and 70mph wearing a caberg trip.

The chinbars were still solid on both crashes. It's also worth noting that both of us never lost conciousness (although my mate looked really shocked when he took his own helmet off and looked up at me thinking he was going to be dead.)

It's also worth noting that the police and paramedic bikers use flip front helmets.

Tbh saying that flip fronts can open in a crash is similar to saying "don't ride because bikers who crash have a high risk of serious injury or death"

I am going for a fixed chin just because I no longer smoke and don't like wind noise. I guess there's the bonus that there's one less thing to fail in a crash.


Anything else I should note down?

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PostPosted: 11:23 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:

It's worth noting that while that paramedic has possibly attended crashes where it has flipped up, they may have been cheapo flip fronts with plastic catches etc. Perhaps they may have been riding with the chinbar already up.

I have had the justissimo smashed all round and it stayed solid. I also had a mate who was riding ahead of me hit a barbed wire fence and get launched into the field between 60 and 70mph wearing a caberg trip.

The chinbars were still solid on both crashes. It's also worth noting that both of us never lost conciousness (although my mate looked really shocked when he took his own helmet off and looked up at me thinking he was going to be dead.)

It's also worth noting that the police and paramedic bikers use flip front helmets.

Tbh saying that flip fronts can open in a crash is similar to saying "don't ride because bikers who crash have a high risk of serious injury or death"

I am going for a fixed chin just because I no longer smoke and don't like wind noise. I guess there's the bonus that there's one less thing to fail in a crash.


Its also worth noting that as long as people are aware of the potential problems with flip front lids then it is OK. The absolute worst thing you can have with motorcycle protective kit is a false sense of security.

Personally I think that the weight and the potential for mishap mean that I'd rather have a traditional full face lid.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks again for the advice. end of the day tho i think the trick is to have the lid and try really hard not to fall off and thus avoiding the above problems

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PostPosted: 13:58 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its teh fit that matters most. flip up lids, yesthere more practical but my shark has a ratchet release system so gloved removel and refitting is a piece of urine. i trust a full face to be safer for me but this is just my 2 penneth worth
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got fed up with my flip up Caberg Trip.

It was all creaky where it had hinges and was not a solid shape.

Really bulky too because of the various mechanisms.

Quite uncomfortable compared to my current as there was no cheek padding due to the flip up. When closed came close to my chin so quite claustrophobic. Noisy aswell.

And couldn't change the visor. It did have a flip down sun visor which I found pretty pants. Just cut into my nose.

A full face helmet with a changeable dark visor is much more effective and looks better. Although not as practical.

I use a HJC now and prefer it a million times more. Sometimes use the Caberg when locking it to my bike when out and don't like it at all.

+ I looked gay as hell when i wore it flipped up. Didnt even bother using the flip up feature, only when putting it on.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's time I should get a new lid soon. Thinking

Don't like the flips.

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PostPosted: 16:36 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear glasses and I'm lazy so I really wanted a flip up as my next helmet. Especially this one..

https://www.nolanhelmets.com/images/helmets/n103ncom18.jpg

But now I'm not sure whether I want flip up helmet after reading a bit about them. They don't take impact very well.. and losing consciousness and rubbing tarmac with your face wouldn't be too nice Sick

safety = full face
convenience = flip up
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MonkeyKnuckle wrote:
That's what has always put me off them. A hard smack on the chin will open the thing and leave your face on the road.


A hard smack on the chin would force it towards your face, not away from it....
Same as if you hit a chin bar on a full face would.

Think about how you fall, and then think of the odds of the flip front being torn away. Karma

A full side on might rip it away, but then again that would most likely break your neck anyway even in a full face.
A hit under the front bar could force the locks apart, and away leaving your face exposed, but then with a full face, that would force the chin strap to cut into you neck/chin. Again most likely to snap your neck.

You have to take note that the police/ambulance responders wear a flip front. If there was any hint of safety danger, as they are forced to wear them. Under health and safety regs they would not be wearing them.

Perhaps another case for myth busters Wink
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