Why don't the government like young riders?

[EUMP]

Why don't the government like young bike riders? It's all restrictions this and restrictions that until were 21.

16 - 50cc restricted to 31
17 - 125cc restricted to 14bhp?
A2 - Any restricted to 33bhp?

Yet if you just do your car test and have a big wallet for a big insurance bill you could get a veyron..

Or if your over 21 you can just do your test ride a 1000cc ?

Are we really that bad of riders?
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[Benson_JV]

Because we're all speed demons who run over small kittens and/or children
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[TomCB]

why do you think those restrictions were brought in?

you said that if you have a big enough wallet you can buy a veyron, in the real world, how many kids can?

compared to a litre bike that at 17 you can buy and insure for a similar price as a 1.4l 106 or something. that will see the better side of 160 with sod all protection.

combine that with immaturity of most 17 year olds and you are most likely going to end up dead.

the government dont want high death rates for youths on bikes, it makes them look bad.

PS. im 18, and glad that the restriction is there, as i know if i had bought a 600cc sports bike i probably would be dead by now.
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[Kwaks]

The question is why do the government LIKE young riders so much.


As stated this is a group of road users who do need protection from themselves.

You complain about the restrictions at 16, whereas to drive a car at 16 you also need to be severley disabled, so those on mopeds are on the road 12 months earlier than the vast majority of car drivers.

As for your Veyron, there isn't an insurance company who would touch it with a 17 yr old driver, you would be forced to lay the 150k bond as an alternative (and that would be a bitch on ANPR).

When I worked insurance we insured a 21 yr old on a Ferrari 365, (circa 8k), but no matter how hard we tried we could not insure his 20yr old brother on his slk.
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[annabie]

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[pinkyfloyd]

i started riding a bike at 18 and i didnt give a shit, i rode like a hooligan on my little cz125 and when that died i done the same on my rxs 100. i had no fear of the road and no concern of the dangers.

if i had been allowed a bigger bike then i probably would have wrapped it around a tree.

i had to give up biking for a whack of years and only started again a few years ago at aged 33, i found i was a lot more careful and aware of others on the roads, i appreciated how dangerous the roads and having a bike on the roads could be.

it horrifies me when i see the scooter brigade with their t shirts and 3 stripes hammering around on their twist off piss off machines, through traffic, pulling out without looking, basically doing all the things i used to do.

the restrictions are there to teach you control and get you used to riding before getting on a superbike. before they were put in place people would pass their test and get straight on a big bike and end up in a hedge.

so its not a case of the government disliking young riders, more a case of the government wanting to protect young riders from themselves and protect other road users from young riders
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[crowe]

I'm 26 and have ridden for 2 1/2 years.
14 BHP for one year
33BHP for a year
50BHP (de-restricted) since.


I Took the restrictors out as i felt comfortable in my ability and it's only 50bhp. I'd ridden over 3000 miles on bikes and felt that was enough. I appreciated the law in place to make my riding a gradual build-up.

I would be worried (as a biker+driver+pedestrian) if an 18yr old could buy a tatty 100BHP bike after a measly 3-day DAS course and be on the streets.

I regularly hear talk of wanting 'fireblades/ninjas' from the young lads (on the council estate where i work) and i can tell you now that they would kill themselves given the chance.

Crowe
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[rob_scott92]

Well i do beleive that us yooooof are statistically more likely to be slaughtering kittens and children more than other road users

But i do kinda agree with the whole restriction thing, it forces most of us at least, to build our way up on bikes. Not just going straight to a gixxer thou' or similar after passing the test. Plus this way, you'll appreciate it more when you do get more power. But i do think the 33hp restriction is too long, riding everyday for 2 years, 33hp is going to get on your nerves pretty quickly

Still, only 1 year 9 months to go
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[CaNsA]

The government dont like anyone, apart from those that qualify for 50% income tax....
and those that are caught by speed cameras
etc etc

you get the idea

[EUMP]

Thought the elderly group was the most dangerous on the road? I understand they don't want a bunch of young people dead in the newspaper as it'll make them look bad.

But what's the risk difference between lets say a 20 year old that's been riding since he's 16 and a 21 year old that jumps on a 1000cc?

I'd say the 21 year old is the bigger risk, yet the 20 year old would have to wait a year to be unrestricted.
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[Bloke]

The same reason why the CBT was brought in.

High numbers of dead 16yr old children are not great for the political gravy train.

Wait until october when the europe comes along again and raises the age for DAS to 25.

Fact is, while the majority of 16/17/18yr olds should be sensible, its the minority who want to be flying around corners at 100mph but instead are on the wrong side of the road and doing the superman over cars that the government is trying to protect the rest of us road users from along with themselves from their own stupidity.
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[bhinso]

It's going to get even more restrictive to young riders as well from what I understand, when 'european regulations' are brought in .

[Mord]

[Acemastr]

[bhinso]

But having said that, how many people ride 2 stroke 125's on L plates restricted to 15bhp (even though it's the law)?
I bet that at least 95% of these people have 125's above 15bhp, eg aprilia rs125.
Not having a go, I have done the same myself when on L plates. I just think they need to either enforce the law properly or get rid of it.

[Teflon-Mike]

[Bloke]

I thought in october they are bringing in that restriction that to ride with l plates requires an instructor in radio contact.
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[N cee thirty]

some people on L plates think there allowed to ride up to 33hp,never mind 14
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