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PostPosted: 20:35 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Help needed with house internet Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I live in a shared house and we are using a belkin N rated wireless internet thingy. I am the only one who uses the wireless as the other two guys plug directly into the router, unfortunately with the router set to transmit wireless it cuts the other guys net speed in half (down to about 4 meg).

They are insisting the I buy a cable and use the router the way they do, but the internet was fine until they bought a new router so i'm pretty reluctant to lay out money for something that isn't my fault.

Is there some sort of setting on a router that would give wireless internet priority over wired that I could switch off?

Thanks

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PostPosted: 21:17 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

go to:

https://192.168.1.1/

And have a click about. It is completely possible to run everything at full speed when connecting via wireless & wired. I'm currently connected wired and my flatmate is wireless and we both get 10meg
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You haven't paid for the last solution you got yet.


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PostPosted: 22:16 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh noes, only 4mb!

We get 1/2mb max here. Tell them to grow up a bit.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
go to:

https://192.168.1.1/

And have a click about. It is completely possible to run everything at full speed when connecting via wireless & wired. I'm currently connected wired and my flatmate is wireless and we both get 10meg


I agree with this. Wireless and wired should run concurrently without unduly slowing each other (obviously 3 users will use more bandwith than 2).

Another option would be to use homeplugs between you and the router so you get full wire speed over the mains if you don't want to run a cable.

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PostPosted: 01:00 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 can use less than 2 depending on what their doing. Wireless should run at 54meg from the router to you, wired at 1Gb / 100Mb. Both of these are way higher than the in limiting factor of 8meg internet. The 8meg line way very well be slower during the peak time periods or if your computer is using the net, but i see no reason or capability for the router to slow the internet connection down by half just because someone has connected to the wireless. It would be like your car's power output halving when you turned on the radio.
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bazza if I had the money to donate to charity believe me I would but trust me I don't live in a shared house for the fun of it!

Not sure why wireless is causing the router to slow anyway, but we did a speed test on one of the wired pc's with the wireless setting off and it got 8 meg, as soon as the wireless was switched on, but before I had connected, it was getting 4 meg, and yet as soon as I connected I was still getting the full 8.

I've had a look through the router settings and I can't see anything that jumps out, but I'm not much of a computer wizz. Although I can set a password so they can't keep turning off the wireless Twisted Evil

To be honest they can go screw them selves if they think I'm paying out for the cables and stuff, it was them who changed the router about it was working fine before then.

By the way, its shared as in 3 of us renting separately through a landlord, not just a bunch of mates renting a house, otherwise I would be a bit more open to getting wired sorted, but I was here before both of them and my contract with the landlord includes the wireless Internet which they have messed up. Childish maybe, but I think its fair unless they want to pay for the cables and stuff for me.
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if this will make things any clearer, but this is a speed test I have just done.

I must be getting my numbers muddled, they are getting half what I am when wireless is switched on, whether or not anybody is connected to it. And they are getting twice that when wireless is switched off.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/917281012.png
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reset the router back to factory defaults and then setup the wireless security again.

This will get rid of any tinkering that's been done.

Then try the speed tests again.

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PostPosted: 08:02 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps someone has set QoS to prioritise wireless or something odd like that?

panrider_uk wrote:
Reset the router back to factory defaults and then setup the wireless security again.

This will get rid of any tinkering that's been done.

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PostPosted: 08:13 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect they have limited the wireless speed to 4mb, it is easily done.

Also, check that the wireless is secure and that some-one else isnt "borrowing" your inets.

question.

I see that you are with VM, is this cable or adsl?

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PostPosted: 08:31 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Not sure if this will make things any clearer, but this is a speed test I have just done.

I must be getting my numbers muddled, they are getting half what I am when wireless is switched on, whether or not anybody is connected to it. And they are getting twice that when wireless is switched off.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/917281012.png


With an upload speed that slow (slower than 56K if i read correctly, so indicating a serious problem), it will be restricting the capability of your internet no matter what. I notice your ping is high too. That's a bad connection. You need a little bit of upload for your computer to send the "confirmations" that it's received all the messages from the other end! (what's likely happening during that test is that the "other side" is spending a lot of time waiting for "your end" to send the tiny little bits of data that say "OK i'm ready to receive more data", because your upload is so bad)

From what's been said, the fault likely lies with your router and/or its firmware.
1) Reset it.
2) Update it.
Then if you're still stuck, you may have to call your ISP and put up with their generally sub-standard support.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweetleaf wrote:
Perhaps someone has set QoS to prioritise wireless or something odd like that?



Can you do that with QOS?

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what our internet is Laughing that is all controled by mr. landlord.

Anyway, I awoke thismorning to find that they had cut the wireless again which obviously means I couldn't access the router settings Evil or Very Mad

Trying very hard not to get angry with them at home but I can't see how it's fair that I get no internet just so they can have it slightly quicker.

If I switch the router off at the plug will it re-set it, giving me access to the wireless again?
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. You'll need to use the reset button at the back. This is often recessed so you'll need a paperclip or pin to press it in.

If you've got the make and model you'll be able to get the instruction manual from the maker's website for the correct procedure.

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:


Trying very hard not to get angry with them at home but I can't see how it's fair that I get no internet just so they can have it slightly quicker.


Once you've got it reset and you're back online go into the router's settings and block their mac addresses. They'll not be able to do anything then Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 16:23 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you press reset you will not be able to access it by wireless untill you have had it connected via cable to setup wireless settings though.

If you have no cable i wouldn't press reset as it won't get you online anyway.

Also i'm not sure the mac address block will work with wired connections. I've found that it only applies to wireless on my routers. Which was a pain when i needed to block kids from the internet Razz
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone is on the torrents I think, with upload that that slow, do you have a download program that starts with you pc?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have torrents but they are all paused and all other web stuff closed when I do a speed test.

To be honest I get a pretty ridiculously quick download speed at silly times at night so I don't see it being a problem with the wireless side of the router.

If it wont give me web back I wont reset the router, just causes trouble for nothing!
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

TwoSock wrote:
If you press reset you will not be able to access it by wireless untill you have had it connected via cable to setup wireless settings though.

If you have no cable i wouldn't press reset as it won't get you online anyway.

Also i'm not sure the mac address block will work with wired connections. I've found that it only applies to wireless on my routers. Which was a pain when i needed to block kids from the internet Razz


Depends whether the router has wireless on or off by default. If on then you can set it up via wireless.

Mac address ought to block wired and wireless but again - I guess its down to the particular router.

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes i suppose he can connect if he has the default password for the router.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

reset the router.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort of sorted now anyway, a friend sorted me out a 15 meter cable for free, much better than the £35 that curry's wanted!

Still a pain in the arse having a cable draped all the way up the stairs and across the landing but its a solution for the time being anyway
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