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Itchy
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: What's with all the getting married threads? Reply with quote

Seriously Why?

Quite simply why? What possible enhancement of one's relationship does marriage do?

In that I'm not quite Skudd, i.e. anti or Mike or all of my other friends who married and divorced, but some how I can't quite see what difference being legally wedded does for anybody. Other than taking one party to the cleaners if the relationship falls apart.

I mean think of it the wisest person on the Forum Keith has lived in Sin for quite some time!
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even living in sin can end with one party been taken to the cleaners (common law wife).
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
Even living in sin can end with one party been taken to the cleaners (common law wife).


TBH the only people who gain from that situation are the legal peeps, as there is no official common law spouse status.

The main reason apart from the romantic notion of being married is that legally it is very much more clear, especially where children are involved.

Having been married, had a miserable time of it followed by a bitter divorce it's not something I would ever get involved with again, but I don't have the nasty 'against all' chips that other members of BCF seem to have. Each to their own and these days everyone at least has their eyes open. Everything in life has it's risks of failure, but it doesn't mean it's a reason not to do it. Give it your very best and just take the obvious precautions or take it on the chin if it does go wrong.


.............and for those in doubt females get taken to the cleaners in the event of divorce too! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny I was thinking the same thing really, the only thing it does is cement in the fact that she gets half your shit when she gets fed up. I think most girls want to do it for the sake of having a nice wedding in itself, not so much the sentiment of being married itself. I can see marriage becoming obsolete in years to come, before it was because if you didn't get married and had sex you'd burn in hell for eternity, then people got wise to that horseshit, but then it was just frowned upon by society (thinking like the 50's/60's here) and was seen as the done thing, but now people could give a fuck less what other people think so that's out the window, so what real incentive is left? I think most blokes couldn't care a less either way - it's just a piece of paper at the end of the day. Once little girls stop getting the idea drilled into their heads about a fairy tale wedding from the moment they are spawned then it will start to nip it in the bud and before long it'll just be a thing you do if you want but probably without all the ceremony involved, which means couples can spend their money on something useful instead like a mortgage, car, holiday, their current or prospective kids instead of paying out 10's of thousands of pounds to invite relatives you haven't seen in 10 years to come and stuff their faces at your expensive buffet and own extortionately priced dresses that will never again see the light of day again.

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PostPosted: 14:58 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the actual arguement will usually fall down to would be - do you want to make your girlfriend happy. "Yes, because I love her." Despite your attempts at deconstructing the social engineering she has undoubtedly undergone (and no, I am not just being chauvanistic, it's very, very likely that despite the lack of logic, even those most cold hearted of bitches would dream for a wedding to end all others) she will want romance, and wedding bells. "Okay...I suppose if it's gonna make her happy..."

WHAM. Done. The weight of society wins again.

I'm not fussed either way - it would make people happy, if the circumstances were right, the only negative is the undoubtedly extortionate cost of the whole event. And complications if things go tits up further down the line.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marriage is a bit like having kids I reckon.

Its deeply unfashionable before the act but once you're in the midst of it, it seems to be the only way to exist and people (seem anyway) to wonder why didn't they do it sooner.

Meanwhile all the hardnosed single types are irritated at the smug self-absorbed happiness the married's seem to have going on and continually pissed off at being bombarded with digital pictures and stories of toilet/food based derring-do by extremely small babies.

The other thing of course is when all your peers start veering off to get married then produce the inevitable off-shoots, it just serves to remind you of your own mortality and sense of time running out and general inability and inadequacies when it comes to commitment and being grown up.

I think it works for some but not others, I count myself as one of the latter for what that information is worth. Also, I'm not really very keen on people and my Victorian upbringing means I am an emotional cripple.

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in the true spirit of a balanced BCF debate have another view!! Shocked

You could argue that for some men the old fashioned view of marriage is a form of ownership. How many women wear wedding rings compared with men? How many women change their surnames and in effect lose the identity they've had for the previous chapters in their lives? I rebelled against all this and hated the feeling of being 'owned' and it ensured my marriage failed, as my ex didn't have the emotional capacity to deal with it (not a failing on his part I might add). He was as institutionalised as these fluffy girls you speak of! Rolling Eyes

Things have changed massively in the past few years - many more men wear rings, aren't too bothered about name changes, want to have children, settle down and pull their weight with chores and financial contributions to make a partnership and marriage work.

Lots of folk have small low cost church weddings or understated registry office weddings - it's because of that you don't hear about them!! The whole wedding furore is often caused as much by relatives as by the couple themselves - you have to be a very strong and determined character to have the wedding of your (and that includes the Groom) dreams and not everyone elses. For the record mine was a small, low cost church one - £2k all in for the reception, clothes, flowers, cake, photos, rings and 100 people attended. It can be done and many people do it!

.............carry on!! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Re: What's with all the getting married threads? Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Seriously Why?


She said 'no' then?
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? because you whipped.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonka wrote:
Well, in the true spirit of a balanced BCF debate have another view!! Shocked

You could argue that for some men the old fashioned view of marriage is a form of ownership. How many women wear wedding rings compared with men? How many women change their surnames and in effect lose the identity they've had for the previous chapters in their lives? I rebelled against all this and hated the feeling of being 'owned' and it ensured my marriage failed, as my ex didn't have the emotional capacity to deal with it (not a failing on his part I might add). He was as institutionalised as these fluffy girls you speak of! Rolling Eyes

.............carry on!! Mr. Green


And the flip side of that is women marrying for position and for what her man can get for her in terms of social standing etc. Not so much a case of the man owning the woman but of the woman in a sense prostituting herself for material, monetary and social gain.

I'm not sure when or why the ring thing was brought in to the whole cult of marriage, but its been my experience its more to do with sparkly decoration and one-upmanship than a method for man to brand his 'ho' as I believe the youth like to call their other halfs these days.

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PostPosted: 17:28 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
And the flip side of that is women marrying for position and for what her man can get for her in terms of social standing etc. Not so much a case of the man owning the woman but of the woman in a sense prostituting herself for material, monetary and social gain.

I'm not sure when or why the ring thing was brought in to the whole cult of marriage, but its been my experience its more to do with sparkly decoration and one-upmanship than a method for man to brand his 'ho' as I believe the youth like to call their other halfs these days.

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Social climbing is something both men and women are guilty of and not something that is purely one-sided. You could argue this is the reason that the big fugly bloke with a large wad ends up with the young dolly bird or the heiress with a face like a horse Shocked bag of spanners Shifty ends up with a handsome chap. If both party is happy with the deal they are doing who is to argue.

I think the general gist of the 'OMG don't do it' brigade is that every marriage is an unwilling hen pecked man being done over by a money grabbing wench. I was trying to point out that both men and women are susceptible to institutionalised ideas of what marriage is all about.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the general gist of the 'OMG don't do it' brigade is that every marriage is an unwilling hen pecked man being done over by a money grabbing wench. I was trying to point out that both men and women are susceptible to institutionalised ideas of what marriage is all about.



How to you explain best selling books like this? Which are how to manipulate a wealthy man to marry you?
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've been together for 15 years and it's still going swimmingly then I can't see an issue with getting married as it's unlikely things will turn sour. Most people get married after only a few years though, seems it's more of a way to prove the relationship rather than just a natural progression which is why it probably fails so often. I am not against getting married but i'd need to be with the person for a long, long time first, there's always a pre-nup Wink
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
How to you explain best selling books like this? Which are how to manipulate a wealthy man to marry you?


Are you serious? Shocked Mate, you are surprisingly selective and I should imagine that I can find as many examples of how men have abused and used marriage to their advantage now and over history. Take a look at the news and tell me that the women (more to the point, children) being kidnapped for marriage to their nasty older relatives (yes!!) are gold digging and manipulative!!

The way I see it is if a bloke is stupid enough to fall for a gold digger then he only has himself to blame. To suggest that every female getting married is a gold digger is somewhat off the mark! What does an old, overweight, seriously ugly man think the dizzy little dolly bird/foreigner finds so fascinating about him? His personality? Please!! Rolling Eyes

Like I said some people are so bitter and twisted they really need to take a long hard look at who they really are and what they've happily let other people do to them. Sad little shoulder chipped victims the lot!! Man up and get on, without tarring eveyone with the same brush!! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonka wrote:
What does an old, overweight, seriously ugly man think the dizzy little dolly bird finds so fascinating about him? His personality?


You mean they really do like seriously ugly, old, overweight men and personality has nothing to do with it?

I'm in luck. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a nice holiday out of it.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
How to you explain best selling books like this? Which are how to manipulate a wealthy man to marry you?


Probably the same way you'd explain alien abductions in rural England - it's an example of one book and its author's beliefs, not accepted and irrefutable truth.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Re: What's with all the getting married threads? Reply with quote

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....I mean think of it the wisest person on the Forum Keith has lived in Sin for quite some time!


I've been living in sin with my O/H for the last 17 years...
...but will be joining the marriage club within the next 12 months or so Wink
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got a nice holiday out of it.
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Could have had a nicer one.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Re: What's with all the getting married threads? Reply with quote

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What possible enhancement of one's relationship does marriage do?



I don't think enhancement has anything to do with it.

I think its a shame so many young people have got divorced after a short period, making marriage more and more meaningless.

Its confirming your feelings/partnership and makes one person very unique Smile

In my opinion, those that don't want to get married might as well say, 'I'm not really sure about you'.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely no intentions of going down that route in future!

Was engaged once and cost me fortune, never got £1250 engagement ring back, lost half house, all furniture and now pay maintenance for pleasure of seeing child, and i left with suitcase and 2 bags of clothes as couldn't see her without as my daughter was living there, but sh!t when engagement failure costs that i hate to think marriage breakdown would cost!!
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
beatnck2 wrote:
I got a nice holiday out of it.
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Could have had a nicer one.


Not really, we would have had to have taken the kids with us...
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not really, we would have had to have taken the kids with us...
Mr. Green


Touché old man, touché.

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PostPosted: 21:47 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got married only because my partner needed a visa. She is not from the EU.

If not that I would have been single still. Normally I see no point in getting married.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonka wrote:

Social climbing is something both men and women are guilty of and not something that is purely one-sided. You could argue this is the reason that the big fugly bloke with a large wad ends up with the young dolly bird or the heiress with a face like a horse Shocked bag of spanners Shifty ends up with a handsome chap. If both party is happy with the deal they are doing who is to argue.

I think the general gist of the 'OMG don't do it' brigade is that every marriage is an unwilling hen pecked man being done over by a money grabbing wench. I was trying to point out that both men and women are susceptible to institutionalised ideas of what marriage is all about.


I get the impression you're some what biased in this. I imagine you wouldn't argue if I said men generally hold more positions of power and have a higher earning potential. The logical extension is that a woman would be attracted to a man that could offer that kind of security.

You're assumption that the 'OMG don't do it brigade' are extoling that view because they feel they're being hen-pecked or honey-trapped is wrong. They're saying it because they're a man and fear commitment.

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