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PostPosted: 19:32 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Recommend a soldering iron Reply with quote

Evening,

Can anyone recommend an iron for a really small job (iphone logic board) i snapped off. I've got an iron which was only cheap & never soldered anything small, usually connecting wires.

This is what i'll be attempting

Obviously the cheaper the better, but one that still does the job nicely.

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PostPosted: 19:54 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get ones with interchangeable tips. I'd get one and spend reasonable cash on it as it's a very useful multipurpose tool. A slightly larger tip and extra skill means you will need less contact time to transfer the solder and are less likely to overheat components. I say this as a guy i know made a tip out of some wire. It was tiny so he struggled to get any meaningful amount of solder to melt with it. Took him ages to solder something that looked really neat, but didn't work Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i usually use a 15watt antex iron for small electronics.

https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=4052&C=SO&U=strat15

£18.

but you might needs a finer tip for it. (i did, it was 3 for £10.)

https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220775&OrderCode=N12FR
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 16 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
You can get ones with interchangeable tips. I'd get one and spend reasonable cash on it as it's a very useful multipurpose tool. A slightly larger tip and extra skill means you will need less contact time to transfer the solder and are less likely to overheat components. I say this as a guy i know made a tip out of some wire. It was tiny so he struggled to get any meaningful amount of solder to melt with it. Took him ages to solder something that looked really neat, but didn't work Laughing


Cheers. Smile

I'd prefer the smaller tip mainly because the points i need to solder are tiny, i'll need a magnifying glass to do this.

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i usually use a 15watt antex iron for small electronics.

https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=4052&C=SO&U=strat15

£18.

but you might needs a finer tip for it. (i did, it was 3 for £10.)

https://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220775&OrderCode=N12FR


Thanks for that. Is there a big difference between the two in that link then? Also what solder is best to use? I have a reel of it but as above, this was just picked up cheaply & works fine for wires, not sure it's good for stuff like this?


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PostPosted: 04:15 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:

Thanks for that. Is there a big difference between the two in that link then? Also what solder is best to use? I have a reel of it but as above, this was just picked up cheaply & works fine for wires, not sure it's good for stuff like this?


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i assume N12FR is the 3 on top, and N13FR is the 3 on the bottom.

silver cored solder is usually best to use. but really any will do (aslong as you dont go mixing lead free solder with leaded solder, but most, if not all electronics use lead free solder)
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an Antex soldering iron and spring stand from Maplin. I think Machine Mart do them too.... available with interchangeable tips that you can buy as extras
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dazbo666 wrote:
I have an Antex soldering iron and spring stand from Maplin. I think Machine Mart do them too.... available with interchangeable tips that you can buy as extras


Thanks, i'll definitely need some tips, the soldering points are tiny. Will also need a magnifying glass.

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Misc wrote:

Thanks for that. Is there a big difference between the two in that link then? Also what solder is best to use? I have a reel of it but as above, this was just picked up cheaply & works fine for wires, not sure it's good for stuff like this?


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i assume N12FR is the 3 on top, and N13FR is the 3 on the bottom.

silver cored solder is usually best to use. but really any will do (aslong as you dont go mixing lead free solder with leaded solder, but most, if not all electronics use lead free solder)


Can use the one i have now then, thanks for the help. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOOOoo the maplined linked one is rubbish, 15w isn't enough it takes ages just to melt some fairly standard solder.

Maplin do one which looks more like a gun or get something with more wattage else you spend ages holding it in place and more potential to go wrong.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck. I used to do this sort of stuff for a living and its not as easy as you would think. I'd advise getting an iron that will give a high temperature as lead free solder doesn't flow very well. If you can't get a good temp on your iron you'll find it sticks to the board very easily.
Keep us posted how you get on.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
NOOOoo the maplined linked one is rubbish, 15w isn't enough it takes ages just to melt some fairly standard solder.

Maplin do one which looks more like a gun or get something with more wattage else you spend ages holding it in place and more potential to go wrong.


What wattage should i be after then? Maplin's do a 30w but it's cheaper then the 15w.

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Good luck. I used to do this sort of stuff for a living and its not as easy as you would think. I'd advise getting an iron that will give a high temperature as lead free solder doesn't flow very well. If you can't get a good temp on your iron you'll find it sticks to the board very easily.
Keep us posted how you get on.


Yup, i've never done anything other then wires so not really looking forward to this. Laughing I'm guessing the wattage doesn't automatically mean higher temp? What would be the ideal iron for a small job like this?
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 17 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
Good luck. I used to do this sort of stuff for a living and its not as easy as you would think. I'd advise getting an iron that will give a high temperature as lead free solder doesn't flow very well. If you can't get a good temp on your iron you'll find it sticks to the board very easily.
Keep us posted how you get on.


Tsk your lead free solder, I still have a whole bobbin of leaded solder and the yellow soldering iron linked in with maplins it takes ages to melt!


Say Owldamer how do these thingies work?

https://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/cold-soldering.htm

not that I need to do much soldering but burning myself regularly they seem a good idea.
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PostPosted: 05:56 - 18 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh this thread saves me opening my own one, i need one to fix an xbox...

Good info here Karma

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PostPosted: 18:58 - 19 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont do any soldering these days, we generally just replace a pcb rather than an single ic. We used to have a contract with 3com to repair hubs/switches & routers which was all component level stuff. We could easily replaced 50 or so ic's in a day. We used 45w weller soldering stations which seemed to work quite well but that was with the old leaded solder. Last time i tried working on anything with the lead free solder it was like the iron had been glued to the board! Horrid stuff.

Itchy. I also have a bobbin of leaded solder. I hid it from the h&s guy when they bought in the unleaded stuff. I dont know anything about the cold soldering. I dont get how that works. looks good though.

https://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/weller-digital-soldering-station.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have most of the antex irons supplied by maplin and wouldnt be comfortable using any of them for that job.
get a decent weller if you can afford it and some really small tips.
i bought an aoyue 909 rework station and a collection of tips for this sort of work but i do it quite regular so its paid for itself.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 20 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

having now seen the video (it wouldnt load before)

if your a novice at soldering, i suggest you do not do it. pay someone who has experience (and i dont mean a few weeks).

they look about as fine as the traces were in a psp, and soldering them together was no easy job (and they were spread out, those in the connector are very close together)
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