The Right To March

Raffles · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Karma :

Today, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, caved in to pressure and banned the far right English Defence League from marching through Bradford next weekend.
Obnoxious as the EDL may be, they should be allowed the freedom to march and demonstrate just as other extremist organisations are allowed to do.
I think that today, another small piece of our freedom has been eroded.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Bradford-rightwing-marchers-are-banned.6486505.jp
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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

No.

They go round the country and bring city centres to a stand still, disrupting life for people trying to go about their every day business.

If they intended to do an actual peaceful march that doesn't interfere with everything around them then fair enough but that is never how it goes down. They harm businesses, road use and generally make a mess and use up police resources.

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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcAEnfBDDjk Skip to 2:30

The anti-facists were over at the other side of town, police kept the 2 groups well apart so there was no conflict between them.

We can do without that in city centres on a saturday thanks.

colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

My mate is a copper and there have been monthly riots near me, as protests about a mosque. They cost a fortune to police about £2million a time. Innocent people get caught up in the trouble and hurt, even though the town centre is sealed off.

Colleagues of my mate say its the worst violence since the miners strike. There seems to be a media blackout on it as nothing gets mentioned about it.

Raffles has a point about the counter demonstrations being just as violent.

I didnt realise that these things were going on all round the country, not just here.

I'm glad they are gonna pull the plug on these expensive riots.

The other thing is, the pope is due to visit next month, and if the EDL did a riot at the time of the pope's visit, there literally wouldnt be enough policemen to cover both.
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ulster exile · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Karma :

I got stuck in the middle of one of these last September with my mum and it was fairly scary (and we're Northern Irish lol).

There were piles of white blokes piling out of pubs as we passed; they were hammered and some had brought bottles/glasses with them.

At the same time, there were Asian lads all geared up for a fight and looking equally aggressive, heading towards the others. We got out of there fast.

I was brought up with marching of a slightly different kind, so the right to march is an ideal I'd like to uphold, but when the sole purpose of that march is to incite hatred or trouble, it is wrong and should be stopped. There are ways to make a point without making it into how much you hate someone else.

Raffles · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Karma :

I can't be bothered researching as I'm about to crash out but IIRC then the number of arrests of Unite Against Fascism and other assorted left wing agitators far outweigh EDL arrests.
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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

Regardless, the EDL wanted to march through an area largely populated by asians, considering they're supposedly only marching against fundamental extremists it's rather odd they wanted to go there, don't you think.

Remember the Oldham riots? The last thing we need is someone instigating something like that again.

colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

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colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

I just texted my copper buddy about this, and he said that although they are banned from marching, they can still do a static protest, which is what they do in my town.

So no end to the monthly riots here.
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pa_broon74 · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Karma :

This is all rubbish.

Neither side march or protest on the basis of their views, they just do it because the other side is.

Its just argument for arguments sake, the ends no longer seem to matter, its just means for means sake. They all need to wind their necks in.

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Spit-Fire · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Karma :

an edl march in Bradford would only end in tears
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Paivi · World Chat Champion Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Karma :

Personally, I'd be perfectly happy to go straight from February to April, so I'll happily forego my right to March, where do I sign?
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Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

Can we stop the Pope from doing his little march? Especially as it is only done to instigate a riot with the Church of England.
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Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

Well in England, The Church of England is the ONLY way.

The catholics can have the rest of the world along with the other Heathens. Wink

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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZBy4yUuxNE

Quite a good video, some guy talking about how Oldham is segregated.

Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

Just an observation.

What the video had to say has some merit, but you never seem to see an Asian or any other minority, driving around their town putting their people down.
You must be very nieve to think it is only a Whitey thing to be a dick head, shitting on your own door step. But you never, or at least I have never seen and stand to be corrected, an ethnic putting down their own race with such vigor as us Whites seem to love to do.
Could this be why there appears to be such a communal adhesion amongst ethnic communities compared to whites. Could it be that they keep all the shit in house, where whites love to air everything in public to tell ourselves how bad we are?

Is it one that we must confess our sins, where other cultures think it is the will of their god?

Just food for thought.
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pa_broon74 · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Karma :

On the Sikh/Muslim thing.

Agreed. I remember being in a newagent in a rough Glasgow ward. The shop keeper was a Sikh who swore blind Muslims eat their own shit.

I was a wee bit taken aback by the vitriol.

That said, the postmaster of Roslyn Post Office (of Roslyn Abbey/Da Vinci Code fame) threatened to 'rip my arms off' if I didn't fix his ISDN line even although I worked for Fujitsu, not BT.

Stupidity is classless.

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