Lead rider to face stiffer penalties

[Paxovasa]

I have lead a group of riders and have be known to exceed the speed limit, I think it is wrong.

https://www.hmg.gov.uk/epetition-responses/petition-view.aspx?epref=Lead-Biker-Fined
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[T1z3R]

lead by example.
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[Paxovasa]

[m0l0t0v]

[Tonka]

Do they propose fining the first driver in a group of cars too?

Everyone is responsible for their own actions. We all know the law and have done the requisite training to get our licence. If you don't like the way the others in the group ride then ride alone or find another group that suits you better. You're under no obligation to ride like the person in front of you, it's your own decision and if it turns out to be flawed, well tough!

Whatever happened to folk taking responsiblity for their own actions? Can I sue the Instructor who introduced me to the group I ride out with if something goes wrong, as if he hadn't I'd never have known them, wouldn't have been riding and it would never have happened?............. [/rant]


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[m0l0t0v]

[colin1]

It's one thing being legally responsible for your dogs actions, I can just about agree with being legally responsible for your child actions, but if you ride with others, you dont have some magical power to make them obey the speed limit.

I think they are confusing motorbike rideouts with outings of ramblers. I cant think of many motorcyclists who would obey a command from their mate to ride within the speed limit.

Playing catchup, someone is more likely to speed, as the person at the head of the pack gets to pick when he overtakes.
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[Ste]

lol, people still bother making epetitions.

[Bru]

It's a blunt and effective method of breaking up group rides. I could not find a specific answer to the petition, in the official reply. That's a government version of GTFO.

[dibbster]

From my experience, it tends to be the person at the back that is going the fastest trying to keep up.....


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[colin1]

[Alex A]

With all due respect, I don't think many of you guys understand the difference between the executive in government and the judiciary and court system.

There is absolutely no point in petitioning Number 10 about the verdict in a particular court case. The only way to challenge that judgement - and the legal precedent it sets in place - is to appeal through the court system. Only if it got so far as the House of Lords would it be a matter for the legislature (and indirectly the government) to intervene in a specific case.

If you want to change the legislation, then sure, the government is the place to go. But this isn't about the wording of the legislation (it says nothing about lead motorcyclists being culpable for causing an aggravating factor in others' speed). This is about the interpretation of that legislation by the courts. And that has nothing to do with government.

Which is why the response to that petition simply sets out the basics of the law on speeding and doesn't address that particular case or precedent.

So, if you're unhappy about it, don't petition government, wait if/until you're charged and then challenge the interpretation of the courts.

There's a very dangerous attitude in this country whereby if someone isn't happy about something, then somehow 'the government is responsible', or 'the government should do something about it'. That attitude is born of a fundamental misunderstanding of the very basic institutional structure and constitution (in the loose sense) of the state.
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[multijoy]

[killa]

Nothing can stop riders riding without number plates.
If the government push their luck, you won’t see mine anymore.


Epetitions count for fuck all anyway don't they?
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[Skudd]

[Kris]

[G]

Fastest at the back and slowest at the front will leave a tail of frustrated fast people behind a slow person that not only has to work out where to go, but has the pressure of knowing they are holding everyone else in the ride up.
Doesn't sound like it'd be that fun a ride really.

Fast person at the front and strict instructions to 'ride your own pace' seems to make most sense to me.

I do often lead, but don't like it really. Once crashed in to the back of a car while trying to work out what people behind me were doing (still hold that the car was going unnecessarily slow for the rest of the traffic ).

[ws4936]

[CptBlack]

I may be wrong, but I thought the government set guidelines for the courts on how to interperet the law - may be getting confused though.

[multijoy]

[27cows]

If there's a group of you, swarm all over the road to block the old bill while the lead rider gets away. Then run the cops off the road. Job done
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[Alex A]