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Take the wheel off.
Let half the air out of it.
Play basket ball with it for a while, flexing teh tyre in all directions around the rim, to get it free about the wheel.
Let remaining air out.
Make sure that the valve stem is straight, flex the bead away from the rim, and work your way around the tyre looking at the bead to see if you have bent it taking the tyre off or anything.
If not, fiddle it into a comfy seat a bit more, add pressure to tyre.
Fiddle it some more at low pressure, THEN pump it up to about 70/80psi and get teh tube to 'pop' the tyre onto its seat, THGEN reduce pressure to running figure
Refit to bike.
Hopefully should be properly seated.
Else you probably got a buckled tyre bead (clumsy removal) or rim.
And patience is a virtue.... suspect if you cant wait half an hour for a reply t a question on a forum, have you been patient enough to do the job logically, and thoroughly? Old addage, do it slow, do it once, do it right, DONT have to do it again. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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OK, its your first attempt.
Have you never fixed a puncture in a push-bike tyre?
Same principles & techniques, only on a tougher bit of rubber.
If you haven't done a M/C tyre before, suggest you take it to a tyre fitters. they'll probably seat it for you for a couple of quid, provided you haven't damaged the bead.
Then suggest you find old push-bike tyre and practice taking the tyre on and off until you have the technique nailed.
Clumsy removal = taking too big a 'bite' of the bead as you work round the rim levering it off, or not getting the bead broken and in the valley of the wheel before you begin, so that you stress and bend the steel cord in the bead when you lever it over the rim.
Often you wont notice you have bent or damaged the bead until you have put the tyre back on and pumped it up and cant get it to seat properly, reason being that the bit of the tyre that sits on teh wheel is no longer round.
Have you got a Haynes Manual? Have you followed the instructions. shoudl explain what I'm talking about, with pictures to show the bead and the valley between teh rims, that the bead drops into when you 'break' the bead off the seat. Hard to explain in words. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | OK, its your first attempt.
Have you never fixed a puncture in a push-bike tyre?
Same principles & techniques, only on a tougher bit of rubber.
If you haven't done a M/C tyre before, suggest you take it to a tyre fitters. they'll probably seat it for you for a couple of quid, provided you haven't damaged the bead.
Then suggest you find old push-bike tyre and practice taking the tyre on and off until you have the technique nailed.
Clumsy removal = taking too big a 'bite' of the bead as you work round the rim levering it off, or not getting the bead broken and in the valley of the wheel before you begin, so that you stress and bend the steel cord in the bead when you lever it over the rim.
Often you wont notice you have bent or damaged the bead until you have put the tyre back on and pumped it up and cant get it to seat properly, reason being that the bit of the tyre that sits on teh wheel is no longer round.
Have you got a Haynes Manual? Have you followed the instructions. shoudl explain what I'm talking about, with pictures to show the bead and the valley between teh rims, that the bead drops into when you 'break' the bead off the seat. Hard to explain in words. |
As for taking it to a tyre fitters not one round close enough but besides I would like to be able to change tyres myself.I have changed bicycle tyres before but that's a lot more simple.
What's with the patronising attitude? We all have to start somewhere. ____________________ GP100(Sold), GS125, CB250RS, GS500E, KTM125SX, XJ600S. |
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Face. wrote: | As for taking it to a tyre fitters not one round close enough but besides I would like to be able to change tyres myself.I have changed bicycle tyres before but that's a lot more simple.
What's with the patronising attitude? We all have to start somewhere. |
OK... didn't think I was being patronising, but fine....
If you cant wait to ride your bike again, and have never seated a motorbike tyre, then taking it to a fitters to do would be the quickest way to solve your problem.
Ones round me are usually pretty good and on something like that normally do it for price of a pint. I have no idea where you are, or how far it is to your closest tyre fitter; mines round teh corner, in walking distance, but I'd probably chuck the wheel in the back of the car and take it to one a bit further down the road.
I asked if you had done a push-bike tyre, becouse you said it was your first time doing a tyre tube.
IF you had, then its the same principle, only on a motorbike the tyre is tougher and getting it right a bit more important, hence suggestion that IF you hadn't done a push-bike getting an old wheel to practice on so you can learn for next time.... I thought apreciating you wanted to learn.
Haynes manual covers the operation. It has pictures, normally supplied by one of the tyre companies, and they are pretty much the same in every manual, and they explain it, with those picies much better than I can, and they show the critical bit which is how you have to get the tyre bead right off the rim and into the valley between, to be able to stretch it over and off the wheel.
THAT bit is the one bit that differs from doing a bicycle wheel, as on a push-bike teh valey is a lot less pronounced, as the tyre is a lot softer and narrower and easier to stretch over the rim.
THOUGHT I was helping, sorry if my tone was condescending, but I WAS just trying to help you out! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Fixed today .
Advice appreciated . ____________________ GP100(Sold), GS125, CB250RS, GS500E, KTM125SX, XJ600S. |
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good stuff
i can't be all so bothered doing my own tyre unless i really have to, the cost of getting it done "properly" on a small bike is minimal. even so they sometimes fall prey to the pitfalls teflon mentioned... i figure i'd hit at least one of them on every single attempt!
i got through a ton of tubes during a 3~4 month period last year (stupid builders leaving roof nails on the drive, just bad luck, and...) one of which got done FOC because they had "pinched" the tube within the tyre itself whilst fitting... sounds a lot like what you may have done, except you got to see what was happening close up before riding, whereas I just paid the bill, whomped it in the car boot, bolted it back on the bike and rode away ... only to be flat again within 50 miles.
easily done, apparently, though it begs the question why didn't they double check for it then? still no harm done and it was free second time. |
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