Mate Buying Bike.

[johnsmith222]

Hi.

A friend of mine is wanting to buy an RS125 in the next couple of weeks. He wants a bike fast and also before he has done his CBT. He wants it before his cbt because he wants to have a bike as soon as he has done it.

He was going to keep it at mine and I was going to ride the thing home for him. He was going to pay the insurance for me and then cancel it in the first week or so.

I am pretty against anyone buying vehicles before they have the correct licence or whatever that they can drive/ride on the road, but he's probably going to go for it anyway.

It would be registered in my name when kept at my address until he goes for his cbt. Tbh I really don't think he's making the right choice and is wanting to rush things too much.

What do you all think about what should happen? He says that he spends all his money on drink (which is true) and he needs to buy a bike otherwise he'll never end up getting one, and he's looking forward to getting a booze on my driveway and having his bike and my bike sitting in the garage to fettle with.

He is dead set on the RS125 because he loves the look of it. He only wants it for 5 or 6 months or something, but tbh I think he might be making a bad choice.

I'm not really sure tbh.

[odemode]

I bought mine before I'd passed my test and the temptation to ride it was killing me.

But as your probably aware, once you get into biking you want a bike yesterday.

Let him get on with it, but just guide him and don't let him do anything foolish.

[iooi]

Well for a start he he going to get stung on the Ins... Take it out and then cancel. Ouch. Admin fee's all round.

If you already have a bike, then see if you can add it to your policy and let him pay any extra, then remove it once he can ride and ins it himself. Thats if you are going to ride it. But why do you need to do

No reason why he can't get the bike registered in his name to start with and keep it at his house.
In fact that would be the best way. Then if he's tempted to ride it, you won't end up getting into trouble for allowing to ride, what is in effect your bike.... Keep yourself out of any of the legal stuff as much as you can. Or it will come back to bite you.
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[johnsmith222]

[iooi]

Your thinking of the distance selling regs and its 14 days.....

But if the policy has started they will charge you for the days used and also a admin fee.

If you only want short term, then look at E-bike and their monthly policy

Check your policy and see if it gives you 3rd party cover on other bikes.
Your mate will have to insure the bike himself, but at least you won't get mixed up too much in money.....

Personally, I would steer clear of what your mate is asking you to do. Any problems and you will be the one to carry the can.
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[Teflon-Mike]

OK, so parents dead set against,. and they are obviousely influential in this kids life..... putting a roof over his head?!

So he wants you to help him past his parents objections...

He wants YOU to 'sort' his bike for him

He wants YOU to register it in your name....

He wants to insure it in your name.......

But HE wants to ride it?!?!?

You know, theres being a 'mate' and helping some-one out, and theres being played for a right mug!

First of all, PARENTS.

NOT a good situation to get into the middle of a domestic!

Next RS125, AND parents.

Anti-parents will NOT be impressed him turning up on a hot-snot sprots-bike that looks like a 600, and be eiasily 'convinced' he's 'being sensible' and NOT going to be one of the 'idiots' that go out and kill themselves.

Next up, BOOZE and Bikes DO NOT MIX!

Even in a garage!

I think you are laying yourself open for grief from the kids parents.

I think you are laying yourself open for grief from the law

And I THINK that this is a recipe for DEASTER, when all the 'trouble' with this bike, from something going wrong in the ignition, to his parents kicking him out the house, to him crashing it while riding pissed, and without a licence, OIR insurance, or any permutation of possible eventualities comes back to bite YOU in the arse!

STARTING point here, very uncool suggestion, but if YOU are really a mate to him, is to tell him to go sort it with his wrinklies, and get thier blessing for the project.... even if its only a grudging one!

You MAY offer to help talk to them in that, and support HIS argument, with some straight facts, and it MIGHT be an idea to offer some concessions into the bargaining pot.

For example; explain the merits of a CG125 or YBR125.... boring, SENSIBLE commuter-learner bikes.

Tell his OAP's how great they are, how cheap, reliable, ecconomical, dependable, UN-SPORTY they are, and how they are a great bike for a nw rider to cut thier teeth on.....

Suggest to THEM that PERHAPS if your 'mate' was 'allowed' one of THEM, he could prove that he could be responsible on it.

Suggest to your MATE that as he only wants if for a few months, to get his test, it would be a good compromise, not an RS, but at least a bike, AND OAP's on side.....

Work it from THAT angle; BUT leave it with his crones, and DONT get too embroiled in all the chenanagins.

End of teh day, its HIS problem, NOT yours.

Done accept any problems or pottential peoblems YOU are uncomfortable with, or that will explode in YOUR face.
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[psychofox]

Afraid I'll have to echo what others have already said, don't get involved. Sounds like your mate is trying to treat you like a doormat, exposing you to many potential legal, moral and financial burdens, all because he's being impetuous. If he ends up taking it out and killing himself, could you really live with yourself for getting the bike for him? And imagine what his parents and family would think of you.

By all means give him the benefits of your knowledge and expertise once he is fully legal, but don't go putting yourself at risk because he is impatient.

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[Ingah]

I think most of the good points have already been said.

AFAIK you don't need a valid license to have it registered to the person. So why not his policy, his bike (i.e. him as both owner and keeper), registered to his address, and you as a "named" rider if you want to have a go and can't ride it on the 3rd party element of your own insurance. This route would absolve you from legal responsibilities.
Note: I'm assuming TPO cover, because he isn't going to be covered for theft unless he lets the insurer know the bike is "frequently" kept at your address (in fact, he should do this anyway as it's the truth, and you should be checking his documents to save the potential for him having "forgot"). Unless he's hoping he can lean on you to committ insurance fraud for him if it is stolen whilst kept at yours (which i hope you have the sense to outright refuse to do from the outset).

NB: Despite distance selling regs, many insurers try it on with a cancellation charge. Can be ridiculous amounts depending on the company, so check the small print unless you're prepared to fight them for your right to cancel without penalty.

It is iffy ground all round though, and ultimately taking what you've said and knowing nothing about the reality, it sounds quite alarming, especially as far as his decisions go. Based purely on stereotypes (i appreciate the innaccuracy of them), i'd say he's the likely death statistic.
It's not just about legal responsibility i mentioned above, it's also about not helping him to ruin his life as a way of being a good mate. You know the actual situation though, so it's your call, but i say don't take any risks for this guy, and don't help him screw up his domestics/record.
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Haha, yes I have! The clutch ones are coming along nicely, need to get A lot more height and maintain them but it's happening I've finally found the sweet spot/speed to do it.. Will get video's up soon man.
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[johnsmith222]

Thanks guys for all your input on how you felt about my mate getting a bike without doing a cbt etc.

I explained to him today that I am not willing to register his bike in my name and I would prefer if it was not in my garage. I did say I didn't have any issues with him keeping his bike overnight here and staying over or me taking his bike for a few days to do work on it. This guy has been a good mate so I'm happy to help him out.

I told him that he should do his CBT before he even considers getting a bike. This didn't go down too well, but I basically kept hyping up how he could be riding a bike on his own and how much fun it would be.

When we were riding about picking up a few things I needed from the shop, I took him to the bike shop to have a look around at the bikes. (I took him to trick him into talking to their training department about doing a CBT).

When he heard that he could be allowed on the road on a bike by Sunday his face pretty much lit up as he didn't realise how quick it could be. Unfortunately he's diving this weekend, but I'm pretty sure he's free during the week so I am going to call and make sure he books his CBT ASAP as that will solve a lot of problems for me.

He has mentioned to his mum and dad that he wanted to get a bike at some point and they seemed ok with it, but he didn't seem to realise that there is a huge difference between saying you're wanting something and them agreeing to try and not make a thing of it and actually being allowed. I believe his mum will be alright with it (well, allow him to have a bike) as I heard him talking it over with his mum on the phone. I did say I wanted him to talk it over with his dad though, because he's the one that's likely not going to allow it. He has a pretty short fuse and is quite a tough guy.

My friend, his mum and his dad who was driving were all in a car when a biker went onto their side of the road at 80mph. Their car was close to going over a cliff (my friends dad used all the road furnature to try and slow his car down and make as much room as possible for the biker.

Fortunately it was just the riders leg that hit the car, but it managed to rip the side of the car to bits and his leg was amputated. He was riding recklessly and it was his fault. He was riding in a group.

His father is possibly his only hurdle between biking. I think he may be setting himself up for trouble, but all I can do is give him the best advice I can in terms of safety gear and riding, and at least if things do go wrong then I'll know that I did everything I could have to steer him in the right direction.

As for racing cars and wheelies. I have been known to do both of these (wheelies weren't proper ones) with my mate on the back, but he usually wants me to do these things at the wrong times and in dangerous situations. There's a time and place, and I don't think he's good at picking them.

[hmmmnz]

i had owned my rgv250 for 2 months before i sat my licence on my 15th birthday (ace nz learner rules )
i was chomping at the bit to ride it, but my parents wouldnt have a bar of it,
i think if he is willing to get the bike first, then he'll be far more motivated to do his cbt and pass his test the first time
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[johnsmith222]

[Ste]

Why does he want the bike to be registered in your name?