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PostPosted: 09:33 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Any good for a first bike? Reply with quote

I've been offered a Kawasaki Z1000 by a friend, 2007, 7k, £3800. Loads of extras. From what I can work out from eBay/Biketrader/MCN, it seems like a good deal, but is it a good idea for a first bike? Or will it thrash me half to death?
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its not so much a question of the bike power more the rider ability. If your going to hammer it like a lunatic then the chances are you will come off.

If you treat the bike with the respect it is due as a new rider on a big bike you should be fine.

I came off a 125 lump straight onto a 750 sports bike and to this day I have the thought in my mind that this machine will kill me to death if I dont treat it with respect. Yes I will be the first to admit I hammer it around the countryside sometimes but I always ride in what I believe is my capabilities. I might be over cautious in the corners and silly fast in a straight line but I havent come off yet and hopefully I wont.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
to this day I have the thought in my mind that this machine will kill me to death if I dont treat it with respect.


That's all I need. Cheers amigo. Looking forward to having a play now...
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good attitude, you could ride a rocket so long as you understand that if you pull the throttle all the way you arent going to stay on ^^ have fun you little fucker (just a little jealous) Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Middle Finger Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you drive a car?
I wouldn't get such a big bike for your first just for the time when you might panic and hit whatever lever's closest (let's say you're rolling back a little on a hill for example).

As well the maintenance is going to be a ballache, little learner bikes are often easier to find your way around mechanically not to mention cheaper.

Not to ruin the fun, but I don't think you will find it fun being scared shitless of the bike all the time. It's nice to have the feeling on a smaller bike you can wind the throttle all the way back and not end up in the next town
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went straight to a 600 sports bike. As long as you are careful with the throttle, well not even being careful, just riding within your capabilities as mentioned earlier, you'll be fine.
My advice is get to a carpark or something and just get to grips with the bike before going out to country lanes and blasting around at lightspeed.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:

My advice is get to a carpark or something and just get to grips with the bike before going out to country lanes and blasting around at lightspeed.


Thats good advice. Isnt what I done tho. The guy i got my 750 from owns a busa and I had to try and keep up with him round the country roads on it. "I'll take it easy at first" he said to me and as he disappeared into the distance leaving me with no option but to open the throttle up I thought "oh fuck!" as the bike screamed away getting faster and faster
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is another thread by the same dude in the general bike section that seems to be getting more action.

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=204324

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PostPosted: 21:15 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

EdgEy wrote:
Do you drive a car?
I wouldn't get such a big bike for your first just for the time when you might panic and hit whatever lever's closest (let's say you're rolling back a little on a hill for example).

As well the maintenance is going to be a ballache, little learner bikes are often easier to find your way around mechanically not to mention cheaper.

Not to ruin the fun, but I don't think you will find it fun being scared shitless of the bike all the time. It's nice to have the feeling on a smaller bike you can wind the throttle all the way back and not end up in the next town


Been driving cars of varying power for amost 25 years. My current drive is a motorway rocket which I drive appropriately (but not conservatively), so I'm well aware of the link between road sense and power, but I hear what you're saying about being scared of the thing...
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benson_JV wrote:
My advice is get to a carpark or something and just get to grips with the bike before going out to country lanes and blasting around at lightspeed.


"Lightspeed" will NOT be happening... Confused
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 31 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be gentle with the throttle my friend. On the 125 you can twist the throttle full open and the bike will fart itself down the road. On the 1000 you do that and your doing the guts of 40 in a couple of seconds which is always smile bringing until the powerband kicks in and you lurch forward at "fuck me" mph.

What you will find is town riding is a struggle to keep in the speed limit until you get used to the bike. Its easy to forget and go through the gears and all of a sudden your doing 50 in a 30.

On my 750, town riding is 2nd and 3rd gear only, 3rd gear at 4K revs is 35mph ish.

Most important thing tho is not to be scared of it. You ride the bike not the other way around.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 01 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
I think its not so much a question of the bike power more the rider ability. If your going to hammer it like a lunatic then the chances are you will come off.

If you treat the bike with the respect it is due as a new rider on a big bike you should be fine.

I came off a 125 lump straight onto a 750 sports bike and to this day I have the thought in my mind that this machine will kill me to death if I dont treat it with respect. Yes I will be the first to admit I hammer it around the countryside sometimes but I always ride in what I believe is my capabilities. I might be over cautious in the corners and silly fast in a straight line but I havent come off yet and hopefully I wont.


I should expect this from your every post now.
Same result as last time, but it was orange juice this time.
Laughing

But yes, treat the bike with respect and understand you can't cain it like a small bike, and you should be fine.

Was in a bike dealership yesterday and there was a guy enquiring about getting a cbr600rr straight after his DSA.

The guy working there, mentioned that it's not a great choice for a first bike, however if it's treated with respect and the rider understands what the bike is capable of, etc. then you'll be okay.

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PostPosted: 09:40 - 01 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slam wrote:

I should expect this from your every post now.
Same result as last time, but it was orange juice this time.
Laughing



Slam ole buddy. Wait until I start on the "deadder than a dead thing on a dead day" which im saving for you for when you have a coffee Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 01 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slam wrote:

Was in a bike dealership yesterday and there was a guy enquiring about getting a cbr600rr straight after his DSA.

The guy working there, mentioned that it's not a great choice for a first bike, however if it's treated with respect and the rider understands what the bike is capable of, etc. then you'll be okay.


he's after a sale, so he'd probably say the same about any bike Laughing .
i think its down to the person.
so people will jump on a 125 for their first bike, and crash more times then they can count, while other will buy a sports 6, and get along fine.

at the same time, a lot of power tends to scare people, and not every ones learns the best when their fearful of their machine Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 01 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spit-Fire wrote:
Slam wrote:

Was in a bike dealership yesterday and there was a guy enquiring about getting a cbr600rr straight after his DSA.

The guy working there, mentioned that it's not a great choice for a first bike, however if it's treated with respect and the rider understands what the bike is capable of, etc. then you'll be okay.


he's after a sale, so he'd probably say the same about any bike Laughing .
i think its down to the person.
so people will jump on a 125 for their first bike, and crash more times then they can count, while other will buy a sports 6, and get along fine.

at the same time, a lot of power tends to scare people, and not every ones learns the best when their fearful of their machine Wink Thumbs Up


I'm shitting in my pants already...still loving it though. Coming home on the A1 tonight I was doing all my gear changes for bike and not car, lifesavers etc...just wishing I was on a bike and not in a car...soon comes the time to buy!
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 07 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if its any help, I past my big bike test a few weeks ago n bought a kwaker er5! I personally think that it truly is the best 1st bike!

Alot more power than my 125 but not to much power that my bike is sumasalting down the road while im sat on my ass at the lights! lol

Good luck.
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a Yamaha XJ6-n waiting for when I get round to the test. Nice and stable and ridable but not short on power.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Any good for a first bike? Reply with quote

carlosthejackal wrote:
I've been offered a Kawasaki Z1000 by a friend, 2007, 7k, £3800. Loads of extras. From what I can work out from eBay/Biketrader/MCN, it seems like a good deal, but is it a good idea for a first bike? Or will it thrash me half to death?


Is it a good idea for a first bike?? Well, it wouldn't be my first suggestion for a new rider, but as you said you have 25 years of road experience already that would certainly help IMO.

Will it thrash you to death?? It's definately capable of doing that, but only if you're ham-fisted and/or too aggressive with the throttle.

After all, I did my own DAS after 20 years on 4 wheels - and the first two bikes I tried out after my test was a CBR600RR, and a CBF1000. So, as long as you're sensible and keep control over that right wrist (and try to avoid the old red mist) you should be OK.

For the record I also took a demo ride on a Z1000 just last summer, and loved every second of it... So apart from me being deadly jealous of your opportunity I'd wish you good luck if you decide to go ahead with getting one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 09 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've reconsidered. Not only was it too expensive (I didn't think it was worth spending 4 grand on something I might drop - more than once, I'm a realist...) I wouldn't want to be terrified every time I was getting on it. CBR600F for me I think...
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out all the 600s you can. They can be so different. Find a good dealer who will help you find the right one.

We went to check some out. Talked to the dealer for a bit and he recommended the XJ6. We had a test ride and rather liked it, then rode pretty well every other 600 in the shop. Was an education. We bought the XJ6 in the end and have really enjoyed it. Though now I come to think about it, didn't we first go in cos he was going to sell his TDM and give up biking? Damn!
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went for a CBR600F

Plenty of power for a few years, handles well and are in general very well made and reliable (except for the one I bought Sad ).
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