Has anyone seen the new V5?

[Villers]

Just by chance I saw my dads V5 certificate that came through for his new PX60 reg car this morning. Its a new style on and apart from being hideous I noticed a couple of things that boiled my blood and confused me.

The angry bit is that its now an ugly red colour and it says 'European Community' across it BACK OFF BRUSSELS!!!
https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00392/SNF2108A_280_392121a.jpg

The second bit is that there is a statement on the front that says 'THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP. It only shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle'

WTF?? How do you prove the vehicle belongs to you then? Do you carve your name into it? If someone came to me now and said 'prove that car is yours' I wouldnt be able to, except for getting a corroborative statement from my dads mate that I bought it off. What a load of bollocks!

https://www.parkers.co.uk/upload/6058/new%20V5C%20better.jpg

Apparently its to protect us all
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[The Artist]

Nowadays photo ID is needed so take your driving license with the v5 and that will count as proof I am sure.

[G]

[Villers]

So your saying that the document on its own is not proof and I would have to prove it is me who's name is on the document and then the cehicle would be mine? Thats common sense surely?

[Digit]

Let rant begin!
I am approaching the grand old age of 70 and the DVLA kindly decided that I should have a brand new bright and sparkly licence, complete with my piccy on it.
With the application form came a thick booklet on how to fill in same.
That should have warned me!
First, obtain photo, instructions state, remove spectacles. Great! I'm that short sighted I can't operate piccy machine minus specs!
Get wife to lean through curtain and operate machine.
God! If I look like that I need a holiday!
Get someone who has known me for some years to sign back of photo, done.
Fill in form.
Copy of birth certificate required, fine, find BT.
'As a birth certificate is not proof of identity one of the following is required!'
THEN WHAT DO WANT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR?

Roy.
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[Villers]

Ha ha I love it, its not supposed to make sense Digit, otherwise it would be easy!
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[Digit]

Monty Python did the 'Ministry of Silly Walks' but I'm certain they have one for silly form filling!

Roy.
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[c-m]

[Digit]

And I don't want Euro Ministers telling me what I can or can't do.
The assumptiom that membership of the EU is necessary to obtain your list isn't so, check Norway for example.

Roy.
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[G]

[Derivative]

I think you're supposed to get a signed reciept from previous owner.
Seems daft though, I'd need a string of 10 little pieces of paper going back to the first owner.

I think V5 along with photo ID is enough for most cases.

[Digit]

The ones I like are those who ask for identification over the phone.
I snapped at one chap, 'wanna look at my driver's licence?'

Roy.
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[waffles]

[Digit]

Nice idea Waffles but if you look at my location you'll see I live in the sticks. Our local post office still sells penny blacks.
The up side is no speed cameras, not even traffic lights!

Roy.
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[waffles]

I had to use their website to find my nearest PO that did it, my local one is closed most of the time and teeny tiny.
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[Digit]

The system is also simpler for a renewal of a picture license than for a first one, which mine was.

Roy.
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[colin1]

There is a legal interpretaion of the V5 that says it registers you to be the registered keeper of the vehicle and so responsible for all costs such as paying road tax etc, but that it also legally means that in return for being able to use it on roads, the legal owner becomes the government. Which is why they can take it away from you if they want.

So when you are selling a vehicle, you just sell the right to use it and pass on the responsibilties to pay taxes, charges fines etc levied by the government on the registered keeper.

I have a copy of the old v5, and it clearly says registered keeper ( the registered keeper is not necessarily the owner ) in section 5.

Its a contract that you have to sign to be allowed to use the roads. You enter into an agreement with the government to accept their charges fo using their roads.

It's treated as proof of ownership by vehicle owners, as its difficult to make use of a vehicle for which someone else has the responsibility of paying charges on.

Usually when you sell a vehicle, you do so on the basis that the person buying it from you, will not only take the vehicle but take the responsibility of paying any charges for using the vehicle on the road network.

It would be perfectly possible to buy a vehicle, and have the previous owner remain responsible for all charges for using that vehicle on the road but not many people would be willing to pay for someone else's charges.
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[TUG]

Is this why i still havent fucking got my new V5 for the VTR?
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Haz ER-5, innit!

[G]

An obvious example is when you have finance against the bike - the finance company owns it, but because you are the one riding it, it's you that gets the V5.

[carvell]

Surprising the amount of anger a change of colour, the word 'European' (which we are..) and a "not proof of ownership" (which it's never been) banner can generate...
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[johnsmith222]

[MinhDinh]

[Stelmer]

Far as I see things, i'm English not European.

We're an island which happens to be close to Europe which is full of Europeans. Other countries call us British and this island is full of Brits. Not Europeans.

[Digit]

I'm an Englishman living in Wales, but there does seem to be tendency amongst our 'superiors' to ram Europe down our throats.
When I retired I was met with a blizzard of government forms, many of which asked my ethnicty, quite what that had to do with a state pension I'm damned if I know!
Many forms listed such as Afro-Caribean, British Asian etc but no box to tick as English.
I simply crossed through them all and wrote 'English!'

Roy.
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[JP7]

They had to change the V5 to make them harder to forge, plus there are still hundreds of thousands of stolen blue ones in circulation. It's going to take a fair while before all these are got rid of though!