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Ichy
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Mortgage Protection Reply with quote

Why is it impossible for people who deal with money to give a straight forward answer?

Anyway, is mortgage protection insurance worth having? I have been employed for all but one year during the last 27 years and see no reason why that would change. Payment protection insurance would cost around £40 a month with a 60 day excess meaning I can't claim for the first 2 months. The only thing I would need insuring against would be redundancy since I already have 2 year sick pay in my contract. Is it worth continuing to pay or is there a better option?
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Mortgage Protection Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Why is it impossible for people who deal with money to give a straight forward answer?


Cos there is no simple answer.


You've gotta think through
1) the consequences if you can't pay your mortgage
2) What circumstances could cause you not to be able to pay your mortgage


Do you have dependants? wife/kids etc?
How much equity have you got on the house? Would a forced sale (assume 80% of market value) pay off the mortgage? If not, that means bankruptcy to get out of it. What would the impact of that be on other aspects of you life - i.e. do you work in financial services, own your own business etc.

How much savings do you have? with 60 days excess in your current policy you ought to have at least 2 months. How long could you survive with no income?

Have you got anywhere else to go if you have to sell your house? Remember if you are really ill this could be long term so pretty much has to be relatives not friends.

OK, you've got sick pay, but what if your employer goes bust? What about gross negligence - maybe you open a NSFW thread at work at the wrong time, the boss sleeps with your wife so you deck him at the xmas party. These things happen.


Example: Me - I'm a single guy, with a good career record and my mortgage is £300 per month. If my job went to rat-shit I could stack shelves at Lidl and still pay my mortgage. If I got really ill I could move back in with my parents. So I don't have payment protection.

More expensive mortgage, kids, wife, no where else to go = you need insurance.

Simples
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For whatever reason you needed to claim on it for, the small-print would have an exclusion.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, what's the point? As Hetz said, it's likely that it's gonna be hard to make a claim. Plus, it takes a while before a mortgage company to actually go for repossession - so you could always go into arrears if you lose your job and can't pay until you get another one without actually being kicked out.

If you get to the point of repossession, then you can always just give it up and move out and rent. Things by then would be properly shit, so one more thing would hardly be the end.

I don't see the point myself - the banks will be making a fuckload of cash out of that premium, anything that the banks make a fuckload of money on is not good for you.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetz, your the third person to say this. I'm completely naive so any proof would be good.

Thanks Al. I think you've pretty much answered it for me. Mortgage is for roughly 45% of the (latest) house value. Kids gone, wifey works and I own several tents Wink
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Hetz, your the third person to say this. I'm completely naive so any proof would be good.

Thanks Al. I think you've pretty much answered it for me. Mortgage is for roughly 45% of the (latest) house value. Kids gone, wifey works and I own several tents Wink



Is it separate PPI or was it taken out with the mortgage?

If it was with the mortgage, and you felt you had to take it out or you wouldn't get the loan you may have a case against them for mis-selling.

Have a look at this https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/reclaim-ppi
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again. Ultimate laziness is the only excuse. I hadn't even noticed I'd been paying it for 7 years Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
Thanks again. Ultimate laziness is the only excuse. I hadn't even noticed I'd been paying it for 7 years Rolling Eyes


Sounds like mis-selling to me, you should be able to claim it all back. Gotta go now for me tea, will be back....

EDIT, no point hearing it from me, read it from the expert.


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PostPosted: 20:27 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, why just cover your mortgage what use is a roof if you have no heating, electric, food etc.

get income protection, i cover 75% of mine for as little as £5 a month
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may not be the same on all policies, but when I bought my first house a few years ago, it only covered you for 12 months (so I didn't take it).

If you stick what you'd pay for the mortgage protection charges into a bank instead, it only takes a few year years until you have a little nest egg that'll cover you for quite a few months if you do lose your job - and if you don't lose your job then the cash is all yours (plus interest).
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
no, why just cover your mortgage what use is a roof if you have no heating, electric, food etc.

get income protection, i cover 75% of mine for as little as £5 a month


Are you sure that figure is correct? Unless you earn less than minimum wage, I can't see how any insurer could afford to offer that kind of cover.

Who's doing that, because I certainly want a piece of that action!
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is correct, only covers unemployment not sickness as i have that through work.

i think its actually about £7, maybe the wifes is £5, neither of is are on minimum wage, far from it.

iirc the payment is only for 6months, more than enough to get a job
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mortgage protection is a money making scam that helps banks etc make money when they dont make much on a mortgage.

Its so much of a scam that recently some government body ruled that loads of people had been mis-sold them and are due compensation.

The other thing is, from my knowledge, you have a good secure job, and skills that would get you a job of similar status elsewhere, so even if mortgage protection was keenly priced and good value (which it isnt) it wouldnt be worth having for you.

If you are worried about the vauge possibility of having a gap in employment one day, just regularly set aside some rainy day money.

For people who live hand to mouth in unsecure jobs, it may be worth it.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 10 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Mortgage protection is a money making scam that helps banks etc make money when they dont make much on a mortgage.


Laughing It isn't PPI which is the scam, it is banking and the entire foundation of fiat currency which is the scam. The perpetuation of such a scam and mass dellusion, i.e. faith is what perpetuates it.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 11 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
colin1 wrote:
Mortgage protection is a money making scam that helps banks etc make money when they dont make much on a mortgage.


Laughing It isn't PPI which is the scam, it is banking and the entire foundation of fiat currency which is the scam. The perpetuation of such a scam and mass dellusion, i.e. faith is what perpetuates it.


I think what he meant then is that it's a sub-scam within the main scam.
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PostPosted: 06:25 - 11 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
EDIT, no point hearing it from me, read it from the expert.


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This website is based on journalistic research. It does not constitute financial advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All tips are followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research . See Full Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy. Martin Lewis, MSE, Money Saving Expert, MoneySavingExpert and Moneysavingexpert.com are registered trademarks belonging to Martin S Lewis..


Expert maybe in the URL, but not in the imformation provided Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 11 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
D O G wrote:
EDIT, no point hearing it from me, read it from the expert.


Quote:
This website is based on journalistic research. It does not constitute financial advice. Any information should be considered in regard to specific circumstances. All tips are followed at your own risk and should be followed up with your own research . See Full Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policy. Martin Lewis, MSE, Money Saving Expert, MoneySavingExpert and Moneysavingexpert.com are registered trademarks belonging to Martin S Lewis..


Expert maybe in the URL, but not in the imformation provided Laughing


Ever heard of a disclaimer?
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 11 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:
Ever heard of a disclaimer?


Weren't they the ginger Scottish lads who whined about having to walk somewhere?
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 11 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is it impossible for people who deal with money to give a straight forward answer?


Because they are salesman and would rather baffle you into buying their shit, so they can go and buy a shiny car with the comission. Or something.

Think money saving expert isn't a salesman? (Not directed at anyone in particular)

Freshal wrote:
How much equity have you got on the house? Would a forced sale (assume 80% of market value) pay off the mortgage? If not, that means bankruptcy to get out of it. What would the impact of that be on other aspects of you life - i.e. do you work in financial services, own your own business etc.


Surely if you cannot pay, the house simply gets repossessed, and thats the end of it. You lose the house, and any equity you may have put into it, but that's the end of it.

I don't have it. I have life insurance that pays it off if I die. Nowhere really for them to wiggle out of paying out on that you would hope, as long as I dont kill myself.

Last thing I want is yet another useless insurance policy, forms sat in the cupboard gathering dust like all the others that are necessary but will never be used.

Like some have said, depends on individual circumstances; how easily you think you can gain employment if you lose your job.

At blue collar level i've found it's very easy, I don't know about anything further up the ladder.

If I paralyse myself and am unable to work then paying mortgage will probably be the least of my worries.

Losing a house isn't the end of the world, we have always said we will just deal with it at the time.

Of course, everyone who has had a bad bit of luck sings about the value of such schemes, but the likelyhood of needing them in the long run is slim.

Also plenty of people have themselves convinced about their inability to work because of a medical issue. Lots (not all) of these people could actually work if they really wanted to.

I reserve the right to withdraw the above if/when I fuck up, and can't pay my mortgage. But i'll take the high road for now.
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