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PostPosted: 18:09 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Petrol lawn mower meets Oxford chain. Reply with quote

As the post implies: My lawn mower had a scrap with my oxford chain, and the result isn't quite what I expected.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you do it on purpose to see what happened or an accident?

I'm gonna get an almax 4 as soon as I upgrade to a big bike. Might get it before even for home use.

Fucking bastards having me look out of the window every time I hear a noise at night Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was by accident... Was trying to cut around it. I should have moved it really shouldn't I? And I know the feeling of looking out the window!

But then I realise it sounds nothing like my bike and more like a silly car with a sewer pipe for an exhaust.


Edit: The mower blades haven't even noticed that it's happened.
And the mower must be older than me!

They just don't make things like that anymore. Sad
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not impressed, but also not surprised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a 'Chuck Norris' brand mower ?
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike thieves are going to look pretty conspicuous if they have to resort to hiding a motor mower up their jackets, though.

Happy to live in a less paranoid place, where people park their bikes and leave their helmets on the seat....and find them unmolested when they return.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowey wrote:
Not impressed, but also not surprised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q



Dude...

I have just lost confidence in all motorcycle chains!
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willson wrote:
Rowey wrote:
Not impressed, but also not surprised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q



Dude...

I have just lost confidence in all motorcycle chains!


It's not all bad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bZMvrPo34g
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep seeing Alamx chains mentioned.

Are they really that good?

I know of people who have had their bikes stolen by the theives freezing the chain with liquid nitrogen.

How would they stand up to that?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That last video was terrible. They have a different guy who looks very inexpirenced in doing it, putting in no where near as much effort as the other guy. The chain spend most of it's time at the tip of the cutters, which is where there is a lot less force. In previous videos the guy was moving the cropper after every cut to keep the link as far into the jaws as possible.

I wouldn't expect them to go all out on proving their product is equally fallible, but that was just crap.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
That last video was terrible. They have a different guy who looks very inexpirenced in doing it, putting in no where near as much effort as the other guy. The chain spend most of it's time at the tip of the cutters, which is where there is a lot less force. In previous videos the guy was moving the cropper after every cut to keep the link as far into the jaws as possible.

I wouldn't expect them to go all out on proving their product is equally fallible, but that was just crap.


Just so you know, I don't work for Almax, or own one...

The reason the chain was at the tip of the croppers was because they couldn't get any purchase on the chain, due to it's toughness and new blades. But in an attempt to prove the integrity of the chain, they used brand new blades as well as used blades to try and get some grip.

Also they are not the only people to have attempted cropping these chains and failed.

Almax's Website wrote:
Have they been tested independantly?

We have won RiDE Best Buy & RiDE Reccomend. We came first in a test carried out by Motorcycle News. We were the ONLY chain to survive a bolt cropping test at MCN, details of which are on their official website. Our Series III & Series IV were the ONLY chains to survive bolt cropping attack witnessed by Riders Digest. We were also the ONLY chain to survive in the ITV London programme's bolt cropping test for their programme ' Gone in 60 Seconds'. Theives have also tested our chains, see them in this video (link to be added shortly)

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PostPosted: 20:50 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

oxford chains are a lot less tough than other brands, they are a nice cosmetic deterrent though. Not all bike theives have bolt cutters, as a lot of the time they don't need them, as a lot of people dont lock their bikes.

So as long as someone else near me has a bike which is unlocked, and mine has a lock on, I'm ok.

So none of you buy bike chains, you are all my decoys.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure I've seen a youtube video of an almax being cropped just like any other chain.

There isn't a lot you can do except hope it deters someone long enough.

Personally if as claimed by almax the reason chains can be cropped is because they've been over hardened I'd use a lump hammer instead of croppers. As is shown in your mower pics it's the shock that causes the failure not the act of cutting.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand all this hype about £150+ chains.. sure they are good quality but the only reason it's impossible to crop them is because you cant get a good grip on a 16mm chain with 42" croppers.


They can be frozen or grinded and off in about 10 seconds.

Therefore any 16mm + chain is as good as a almax.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
...they are a nice cosmetic deterrent though.


The £10 Aldi chain does that.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 12 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, hardened steel I believe... so yeah... shock.

And I think I should be ok with that... I don't think many of the local chavs are in possession of liquid nitrogen and a portable angle grinder.

But you can never be too sure!

If you've got a riveted drive chain (Not the split link type) Stick a cheap crappy £1.99 padlock around it. I've heard stories of people doing that and it being a deterrent because you apparently can't get the padlock to sit still to try and cut through it/bolt crop it. I've seen someone having a rather hard time cutting through a drive chain as well, so that might be a bit of a deterrent... Just remember to take it off before trying to ride away...
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PostPosted: 04:59 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Petrol lawn mower meets Oxford chain. Reply with quote

Willson wrote:
As the post implies: My lawn mower had a scrap with my oxford chain, and the result isn't quite what I expected.


Exactly what I expected when I read the title Laughing Had two on my drz and it didn't stop those fuckers
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PostPosted: 05:06 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:


The £10 Aldi chain does that.


The £10 aldi chain is a lot tougher, and is a lot more than just cosmetic, in my opinion. Its solid steel, wheras the oxford one looks more like metal powder that has been heated to liquify to become a solid piece.

The oxford one doesnt look anything like as tough.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

owl10 wrote:

I know of people who have had their bikes stolen by the theives freezing the chain with liquid nitrogen.


That's the first time I've heard of that happening, where do said oiks get the liquid nitrogen from?

Why not read this page about bicycle locks:

https://www.creekcats.com/pnprice/bikelock.html

Then it would be clear that it doesn't work that well, and you'd need a lab to keep submerging the lock/chain into.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

for those claims of people hitting it with a hammer and it breaking no problem, the fat guy aka "captain cropper" has attacked almax chains with massive hammers and also thermite and had no luck breaking them. He is quite experienced in cropping chains, although he obviously works for almax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e7ALVq1RJc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGSqsgpgD70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGSqsgpgD70

https://www.youtube.com/user/CaptainCropper?blend=2&ob=1#p/u/4/TNlbNB_3vB0

I emailed almax before I bought one and they admitted that they can be cut. But the thieves would need some hydraulic cutter tool that pretty much nobody carries about with them to steal bikes because they would rather just go for an easier target.

It makes sense. Why would I want to piss about trying to cut an almax series 3 or 4 when I could go for one of the plenty bikes that are just sitting there with a disclock?
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which oxford chain was it that lost the fight with the lawnmower?
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a regular one I think... but as far as I know they're all hardened all the way through, making them brittle.

It wasnt as much of a cut, more of a sharp whack sending the small piece flying into the road.
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that having a good chain can be important, surey though, they're only as good as what they're chained to?


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PostPosted: 15:00 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've grinded through an Oxford Monster chain. Took me about 30 mins though.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 13 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FLV wrote:
I know that having a good chain can be important, surey though, they're only as good as what they're chained to?


Just like to bring up this classic...

https://bikechatforums.com/files/me_on_my_bike.jpg
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