I binned it!!!

[Ste]

No, theoretical limits are not better to use. One persons theoretical limits of something may be higher than where they actually are. So it is better to know the actual limit as then you know where it is, not where you think it is.

Everything has a monetary expense due to the nature of life.

[NSR125-Kid-UK]

Fixing my bike didn't cost me a penny - the only monetary cost of the accident was the 20p worth of petrol that trickled out of the overflow pipe when she was on her side.
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[william]

OK Ste,

At the end of the day a 125 rider in a public car park acting like a tosser does not have a positive effect on bike riders in general.

I concede it is better than a public road but it illustrates why bikers get a bad deal.

If he wants to explore the absolute limits then he should try a trackday.

Is this a 125 fan site

[Ste]

There will be monetary cost to the crash Andy. You'll either have to get some new fairings, and anything else which was damaged however much in the crash or sell the bike at a slightly lower price than if it had not been crash and damaged.

Just saying this before William tries to use it with as an argument point.

[william]

[zaknafien]

[william]

Ok so I am an ex 250, 400. 500 rider, I missed out on the 125 experience.

[Ste]

Acting like a prick in a public car park does not help the general impression of bikes. But he is nowhere near being the only one, and cars do it as well anyway. And it is a better place to crash than a road. If that had happened on a road the road would have been blocked for a while whilst Andy and the bike were moved out the way.

It does not illustrates a reason why bikers get a bad deal. What deals a worse illustration is people on R1's on the road, as they ride like hooligans and why on earth need a bike that powerful on the roads anyway? Not saying that is true, but that is general the view for the public left by R1's.

track days, yeah that would be great time for a learner to go and learn more about their limits on a bike, as all the other bikes on the track will be very helpful and not affect it at all.

No it's not a 125 fan site, it was originally the forum of nsr125.com but not anymore.

[stinkwheel]

[Ste]

[NSR125-Kid-UK]

The fairing was sanded smooth with wet and dry, and resprayed with spraypaint - both of which I already have. I have planned on having the panels resprayed since before my little slide, so it's not as if having the panels sorted is an unexpected expense.

My opinion stands - In my opinion, the accident did not cost me any monetary well being.
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[Frost]

[william]

I am obviously not a normal R1 rider then

I try and keep my bike in one piece. I would consider respraying body panels an expense

BUT it doesn't make me a BAB.

Weather permitting I will be at Rykers at boxhill about 7.30pm on Sunday. look forward to meeting anyone here there

[Ste]

No one said that it does make you a BAB.

Yes you (as do most people) do want to keep your bike in one piece, but you'd be able to do that better if you knew where your own limits are.

[Ste]

You'll get on better over at Bikers Web Andrew.

[william]

Trying to get rid of me now

No such luck........................

Speaking from experience finding out the limits of your bike costs money

[Ste]

Don't worry, evolution will do it's job soon.

[stinkwheel]

Don't want you to feel everyone is picking on you william. Your original post did have a valid point. It was no bad thing that the learner limit was brough down to 125, there were enough trainer clad 17 year olds wrapping bored out 250LCs and X7s round lampposts through being unable to cope with the power and speed to justify it...and imagine having a modern aprillia RS250 as your first bike,

Mind you, an NSR125 is pretty comparable performance wise to the old 250 hondas, 'rumph twins and starfires everyone used to learn on.
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[william]

Thanks Stinkywheely, I had a suzuki GT 250 left those Hondas way behind

I am not a BAB I just see it as a natural progression now I can afford it.

[G]

William: how big a gap did you have between your last bike and your r1?

I would agree that to some degree this does illustrate why young riders are restricted in the power of bikes they ride and why learners are restricted to 125cc bikes.
Andy obviously didn't consider the surface he was riding on very carefully when he tried to do this. If he was on a bigger bike, might he have made the same mistake about a road surface when he was going a lot faster?
However he at least shows sense by trying it somewhere away from the public.

This however also illustrates the problems with 'BAB's. To (slightly mis)quote Rossi; to find your/your bikes limits you have to pass them and crash.
Andy will hopefully now have a better idea of what a rear wheel slide feels like, so if he starts to get the same feeling again in a more dangerous situation he is more likely to save it.

One of the characteristics associated with 'BAB's is that they tend to push their bikes much (as I believe you said you wouldn't when you first came on here); then end up following someone that is faster or trying to do something that they could a long time ago on a different bike and crashing because they aren't to intouch with what their bike does in extreme situations.

[NSR125-Kid-UK]

General opinion sems to be that I should have practised on a road, In some ways I agree, but as Ste said, If I slid out on the road, I would have blocked the road, maybe got a bigger yelling at by the police, and cos there are things like kerbs and suchlike, I would probably have done a greater amount of damage to the bike.

I took the panel off the bike yesterday to sand and repaint it, none of the fixings were damaged . There's no damage to the clutch cover that wasn't there before (it looks like a previous owner felt the need to lob the bike down the road once or twice).

Those fiberglass panels, they're like rubber (apparently the bike bounced ).
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[G]

Best place is generally an industrial estate or similar on a sunday.
Preferably a newish one with a nice clean surface.

If you get it right there should hardly be any traffic, so you're not likely to hit anything or anyone.
Also less likely to be police etc around.

Car parks tend to be made from particularly ungrippy tarmac, add to that the debris that doesn't get distributed to the edges because people aren't going fast enough and especially the white lines make it a pretty bad place to try something new where you could injure yourself or your bike.

[NSR125-Kid-UK]

I wish I'd known all this beforehand .
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[G]

Oh and with really, really shitty tyres my old NSR was still good for getting the peg down when not that hung off, so you should have plenty of lean left on a decent surface.

[NSR125-Kid-UK]

I was thinking to myself on the ride back "The NSR will lean *how* far G?"
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