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stuartadair
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Road positioning Reply with quote

Hello all,

Question about road positioning...I've previously been advised that all things being equal, the best place to ride is in the o/s wheel track of the car in front, ie: behind the driver. This is because your less likely to hit and debris that might be in the road.

However, I've found that this is also the part of the road surface that get the most wear and is most likely to have potholes.

Advice please ... Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely depends on the situation. Wet, dry, damp, unfamiliar roads etc.

In rain i use the car tire lines as its the least wet, ie the heat of tires and the constant flow of traffic keeps the rain off it the most.

The debris in the road, you shouldn't be following a car so close that you cant move out the way of debris.

The majority of the time i use the most efficient line. The one where either i can see the most or been seen the most.

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:

The majority of the time i use the most efficient line. The one where either i can see the most or been seen the most.


This.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
Completely depends on the situation. Wet, dry, damp, unfamiliar roads etc.

In rain i use the car tire lines as its the least wet, ie the heat of tires and the constant flow of traffic keeps the rain off it the most.

The debris in the road, you shouldn't be following a car so close that you cant move out the way of debris.

The majority of the time i use the most efficient line. The one where either i can see the most or been seen the most.

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The voice of some experience, worth taking note of.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

+2 to ThatHornets reply
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like good advice. Thanks Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am only a learner but I have been taught to and generally ride where it seems safest, as in the riding in car tracks in the rain.

Halfway between hazards i.e parked cars and other obstacles, generally behind the driver at junctions and so on so we can see each other in his wing mirror. Also reduces the chance of being rear-ended by someone not paying attention.

Debris shouldn't be an issue as you should leave enough space to see what's there, if you can't stop/avoid debris you certainly can't avoid the 2m wide car in front of you Very Happy We have tons of bloody invisible potholes / recessed manhole covers here.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride like you own and control the road, don't let others dictate where you position yourself, you are higher up than most car drivers, have better acceleration and brakes than they do. Assert yourself and they can't help but notice you.

It works for me - 30 years and no accidents, and I certainly don't ride like a pussy.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Road positioning Reply with quote

stuartadair wrote:
the best place to ride is in the o/s wheel track of the car in front, ie: behind the driver. This is because your less likely to hit and debris that might be in the road.

Advice please ... Very Happy


And is also the place where stuff will get thrown up at you.

There is no one safe/best place to position yourself. It all depends on road type and traffic conditions.

About the best advise is position yourself where you can be seen and a safe distance from traffic in front Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On reflection I think the best thing is to find the gap and position myself in-front of the car and not behind Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Advanced riding' generally teaches to position for observation, presuming there's not particularly bad stuff on the road or other dangers etc.

So positioning the bike to be able to see the furthest - basics of to the left on right handers and the right on left handers. Of course other things can change that - such as side roads that could cause a danger, or being able to see further down the road.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatHornet wrote:
Completely depends on the situation. Wet, dry, damp, unfamiliar roads etc.

In rain i use the car tire lines as its the least wet, ie the heat of tires and the constant flow of traffic keeps the rain off it the most.

The debris in the road, you shouldn't be following a car so close that you cant move out the way of debris.

The majority of the time i use the most efficient line. The one where either i can see the most or been seen the most.

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young and stupid, but good road sense = Crash. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FinnDave wrote:
Ride like you own and control the road, don't let others dictate where you position yourself, you are higher up than most car drivers, have better acceleration and brakes than they do. Assert yourself and they can't help but notice you.

It works for me - 30 years and no accidents, and I certainly don't ride like a pussy.


Certainly impressive!
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
'Advanced riding' generally teaches to position for observation, presuming there's not particularly bad stuff on the road or other dangers etc.


what G said Thumbs Up

If you want a taster Stuart why not sign up for bikesafe, its all about road positioning and does improve your riding, especially if you are a new rider like i was at the time of doing mine.

Best of all its only £25 or so
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Positioning. Right at the front in the sun.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:
G wrote:
'Advanced riding' generally teaches to position for observation, presuming there's not particularly bad stuff on the road or other dangers etc.


what G said Thumbs Up

If you want a taster Stuart why not sign up for bikesafe, its all about road positioning and does improve your riding, especially if you are a new rider like i was at the time of doing mine.

Best of all its only £25 or so


That sounds like more good advice....
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

One note about riding in the right wheel track. Round here some roads get worn quite badly with the car/van/lorry wheels, so where their wheels go is quite 'shiny' but the centre of the lane is still rough and a bit grippier.

I second what G said.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the police riders handbook, also advancedbiker on youtube is pretty good on that stuff, you want to see ahead and be seen by others so constantly changing position is what you will be doing also taking note of the road condition, obsticles and hazards like oil, loose surface ect, ride safe
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 21 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Road positioning Reply with quote

stuartadair wrote:
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Advice please ... Very Happy



On the white line, between the oncoming traffic and the car to your left Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:19 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FinnDave wrote:
Ride like you own and control the road, don't let others dictate where you position yourself, you are higher up than most car drivers, have better acceleration and brakes than they do. Assert yourself and they can't help but notice you.




I'd add: be prepared to sacrifice your dominant position for a safe position, where required.

E.g. where an oncoming vehicle cuts a corner etc.
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PostPosted: 06:07 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
FinnDave wrote:
Ride like you own and control the road, don't let others dictate where you position yourself, you are higher up than most car drivers, have better acceleration and brakes than they do. Assert yourself and they can't help but notice you.




I'd add: be prepared to sacrifice your dominant position for a safe position, where required.

E.g. where an oncoming vehicle cuts a corner etc.


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