Help! Rear wheel nut removal... - Update!

map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

Need to take the rear wheel for tyre replace tomorrow.
However, nut stuck on (suspect monkey with air wrench put it on last time!)

Any hints and tips?
Going out tomorrow am to try and find a breaker bar, probably end up in Halfrauds just to see if they know what a breaker bar is.
Other than that any other things to try?

Thanks in anticipation Thumbs Up

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Halfords do breaker bars, you can check stock of your local Halfords on their website to avoid a wasted journey. Thumbs Up

Penetration oil helps to free seized parts but I'd expect you'll be able to undo once you're armed with a decent sized breaker bar.

herulach · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Karma :

Breakers are handy anyway, but if you don't want to spend the cash, ratchet + big pole & foot should see it sorted.
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Paxovasa · World Chat Champion Joined: 25 Apr 2010 Karma :

A snug fitting socket and ratchet, then slide a metal tube over the ratchet to give you more leverage. Thumbs Up

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

If all else fails then you just need a hacksaw. Wink

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map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Ride to a garage and get a monkey with an air wrench to undo it for you.

Then do it up again with a normal hand tool and ride it home.
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map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

Just a little update.
Got 2' breaker bar. Didn't budge it ! Shocked

Ended up putting exhaust on, taking to garage, exhaust off (cries of ouch that's hot) and getting it air wrenched loose.

So exhaust back on, ride home, exhaust off (after cooling down) then tried to remove wheel.

Nothing. Solid on. Works how it should, goes round stops with brakes, etc. but will not come off.

BTW this is a little Vespa LX50 scooter used for a runaround.
Can only think the brake shoes are somehow keeping it on.
I've heard this can happen with drums on cars and it's the auto-adjust. Told there's usually something to poke around and reset on cars but I can't see anything similar on the bike.

So once again, any help appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation. Thumbs Up

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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

So the nut is off but the wheel is stuck?

If it won't come out, give it a clout!
https://www.toolstation.com/images/library/stock/webbig/40531.jpg

Seriously. I checked online and there is nothing else holding it once the nut is off, give it a moderately severe hiding and it should pop off. There is even a video on youtube of someone doing this on his 150 vespa of the same design. He's hitting the axle with a standard hammer. I'd probably go for hitting the wheel itself with a deadblow hammer for preferance.
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D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

OT, but I think the best lesson I've learned in my limited mechanical experience is that hitting things hard generally works. It's remarkable how much force 'things' can take without breaking, and need to have applied to become loose.

That is all.

stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Of course. I assume you've backed off the brake adjuster if it's a drum brake, not that it should be gripping the drum when properly adjusted anyway.

If there is an auto-adjuster on the brakes, it'll be the first bike I ever saw with one (the engineering abortion that is the cable operated disc brake aside).
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Frost · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2004 Karma :

A hammer is fine as it tends to deliver a sharp tap (metal hammer anyway) that frees the nut / bolt without mashing it up. Provided that it actually goes though...

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These days i only ever use sockets with an internal shape like that. It grabs the flats rather than the corners and remove stuff that's had the corners rounded. Usually once the corners round all attempts at removal just make things worse.

Applying some heat is always a good idea if it's possible.

finpos · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Karma :

I'm not 100% sure about vespas, but you probably have there a tapered shaft, i.e. you're going to need a puller to get it off. The alternative is to put the nut back on so that it's not contacting the wheel and, well, ride the scoot up and down a bit. It'll drop off the shaft with a bit of a thunk. Don't ride it any further Smile

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map · Mr Calendar Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Karma :

Thanks for all the advice.
I'll be hitting it with a hammer either tonight or tomorrow.

Did try this before with rubber mallet but hit mostly the tyre so not to damge the wheel. I'm thinking the rubber just absorbed the impacts so did nothing.

Maybe going slightly off-topic but there is no tread in the middle of the tyre, just the sides. The MOT rules say on bikes less than 50cc the tread must be visible. It doesn't say over what area of the tyre (like the 1mm/1.6mm tread depth rule). Tread is visible. The MOT test centre say it needs a new tyre to pass ('tis difficult finding another test centre before you say go elsewhere). So what rules are they following?

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Oops, I stand corrected...

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kawakid · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Karma :

Sounds like your really struggling.

Sometimes it's best to admit defeat and your limitations. (We all have skills in different areas).

Last month I couldn't get my drop links off my Mondeo, they were totally ceased. (I Soaked the bolts it in WD40, used lots of strength ie 14stone leaning on it, but no joy)

Local garage struggled to get them off also, they had ended up using lots of heat (Which I don't have). They charged me £20

For all your posts on the subject and money spent, I would have just ridden my bike to my nearest back street mechanic and asked him to put a new tyre on or loosen the nut.
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