what is it with the whole bandit 12 are shit?

[Welshd1k]

Why do i see it time and time again . bandit 1200's being called gutless and shit?

correct me if i am wrong they have a shit load of grunt and go like the clappers with simple end can and dynojet addons ....
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[Paulington]

I've ridden two, they both had bland engines and vibrated like mad. Really unpleasureable to ride.
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[TheDonUK]

It seems kind of silly to have a 1200 which is not as fast as a sports 6...
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[stinkwheel]

They have a beefy engine but are built to a (low) budget and it shows.
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[Paulington]

[instigator]

I think the fact that they are built to a low budget adds to their character. I love the grunt of their engine, infact, I'd say my old bandit 12 was the most fun bike to ride around London. Wheelie tastic.

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[Chalky.]

They need a turbo

[Kickstart]

Hi

Not sure on that. Have considered it, but the power gains are not that large and you can quite easily get decent power other ways (eg, 1216 kit and some GSXR11 cams).

Turbo is interesting but on a Bandit I am not sure the power justifies the cost compared to other tuning, or the down sides of a turbo.

All the best

Keith
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[chris-red]

I have only ridden the 1250, It was alright, plenty of grunt but the engine was very dull, it wall like a sewing machine the seat was uncomfortable and handling wasn't brilliant, brakes where ok and the ABS was dogshit. It was crap on fuel too.

I prefer my TDM, engine is more interesting, much comfier, lighter, better handling and far better brakes. It isn't as quick but is better on fuel.

I just feel there are many better bikes out there. The only saving grace is they are cheap, but I would rather buy a second something else than a 1250 bandit, I don't think it knows what it is, it is too crap on fuel and short ranged to be a tourer also too uncomfortable. Not nimble enough to be a sunday toy, and just not mean enough to be a muscle bike.

Can't speak for the 1200 though never ridden one.
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[lonie]

i believe chris is working on a b12 turbo and has it looks to be produceing some good figures

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[L-Jam]

Paxovasa, he's saying it is restricted.
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[mooserx]

I had a 1250 naked as a hire bike after my accident, total toss, rattley, and felt gutless compared to my 19 year old cbr. Wouldn't recommend one to anyone.
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[_Will_]

Power is subjective, delivery and torque make a big difference.

My r1100s has only got 98bhp, but is worlds away from the 600's i had of the same bhp and flat delivery.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

If you check this thrust graph between a stock B12 (red line, ~105hp in that graph) and a 2002 R6 (blue line, ~90hp in that graph) you will see that the Bandit is easily ahead at the top end, while slaughtering the R6 at lower revs.

Sure newer 600s probably have more top end and lower gearing, but suspect they have lost mid range, and suspect for at least 90% of riders 90% of the time it is the midrange that is useful.

All the best

Keith
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[evoboy]

Id still have one.

Its the same with the ZRX1100. That only makes around 100bhp, but with a large torque figure. Yet the engine its based on (ZZR1100) makes some 140ish bhp.

I have a real soft spot for the suzuki oil boilers and i still think its one of the smoothest engines ever made in the way it delivers its power. So i dont really understand why people complain about it being bland considering the introduction of FI on all modern bikes has made them (IMO) far more bland to ride than a B12.

The simplicity of it is also a big hit with me.
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