2-stroke racers...

[SpannerMonkey]

I cannot normally settle on a style of bike I like for more than a month and my current phase is 2 stroke racers.
I wouldnt mind one once I pass my test and my goal is to end up with an RG500 or an NSR400 at some point.
I've been looking at these RGV250's and I've heard good things about them. And the Aprilia RS250's.
Thing is, Restricting them down really does take the two-stroke fun out of them, So does this mean I'm stuck to either a 125 stinkwheels or a 4 stroke alternative?
I just love the all or nothing nature of two-strokes and the only thing that bothers me with them is their lack of holding any speed when faced with any kind of revs below 7000rpm.
are there ANY decent two-stroke racers out there that are on or JUST over the 33bhp limit BAR the RS125 and Cagiva mito (Both are FAAAAR too unreliable from what I've heard)

[MarJay]

[Billy Balthorpe]

Yamaha RD250DX, Suzuki X7, Suzuki GT250, Kwacker KH250 triple (rather you than me on that one).

Of course these are bikes from the 70's and would not handle anywhere near as good as an RS 125/250. But they are fairly reliable and good fun. I ran an RD350 Powervalve for 17K miles and rode the nuts off it, actually senseless to thrash in standard trim, you couldnt get near the redline without the power dropping off so you just changed up a gear back into the power.
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[stevo as b4]

Yeah a late model full power 125 sports bike in excellent condition should be ideal tbh! If you look after it, feed it expensive oil, and do the maintainence ahead of schedule then it should be very reliable. 2strokes are not generally unreliable or prone to problems if well serviced, set up and looked after (Even RGV or RS250's!) It's just that routine maintainence includes periodic engine re-builds and that the wear rate it high on the components. If you keep ahead of the game then they should be very reliable overall.

The only bigger than 125cc bike that fits well in your wish list is the Suzuki RG200FUN, but you'd be hard pushed to ever find one in the u.k.

[N cee thirty]

nsr125 ?
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[SpannerMonkey]

So mito or RS it is =( I'm currently riding an NS125F which is okay... But it doesnt have the racey feel to it position wise. so out of the two (Mito and RS) which one would you recommend?

[Cheeseybeaner]

MZ?

[Frost]

Getting a 2 stroke race bike and restricting it is like buying a race horse and chaining it's legs together. It was expensive, high maintenance and impractical to begin with, and you'll likely damage it by not letting it do what it does.

The world and his wife would one day like to own an RG500, but they are damn expensive, almost all knackered and no quicker than an older sports 600

[chris-red]

You would be stuck on the 125's I dare say a deent 125 2t would be better/faster than a restricted 250. 2 strokes are the only bikes that don't 'take' restriction well.
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[yuri2085]

Some one I know might tell you not to bother restricting your bike and just be vigilant so police don't catch you doing silly speeds.

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[SpannerMonkey]

Well i gotta say I'm preferring the looks of the mito but there arent as many around.
The RS just seems a bit too chavvy to me.
My mum is SO against me getting a two stroke just cause of the fuel efficiency and the power delivery.

[Acemastr]

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[G]

None of the 125s in my experience, even when ragged will give the performance of a middle weight sports/commuter restricted to 33hp.

Something like a KTM EXC might, but maitenance is listed in races and hours, rather than road miles, never mind the lack of ignition key etc.

[Billy Balthorpe]

I rode a new ish RS125 last night. The guy told me it was 33bhp and i could have a go if i want. Well, i've never ridden a 33bhp 125 so i did. I was very careful to warm it up and didnt take it above 6K till 3 bars were showing on the dash. When i did i was dissapointed, there is no way that bike was 33bhp. There was no zing at the top end, just the promise when it hit 7K and sort of flattened. I'm sure it was 15BHP, it wouldnt pull much more than 75mph. I told him what i thought when i got back and he still insisted it was 33bhp. Not a chance.

The brakes were awesome tho, one finger was the safest way to use them and the handling was pin sharpe, like you are holding the front wheel spindle, confidence inspiring.

As someone said earlier, i would plan the maintenance in advance and use top quality oil, always warm the engine before you ride it, you dont want cold siezure now do you?
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[Frost]

None of them are 33bhp, 28 at best.

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[Billy Balthorpe]

It would have probably gone a bit more, but i needed more road than i had.
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[SpannerMonkey]

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[Teflon-Mike]

Trying to remember what it was now, but lad at work few years had one of these things.
Pretty sure it was Spanish, though may have been french, had a Yamaha DT engine it it, and a very neat steel trellis frame, with minimal body-work, though definitely a race replica.
Supposed to make about 26bhp, de-restricted, with LOADS of reliability & the spared back up for one of the longest running 2T motors out there.
Supposed to be as sweet handling as a Mito or RS, but with a low more 'rawness' to it from the minimalist lay-out of the bike.
Was quite taken with it when I had a look over it, but CANT for the life of me remember what it was bludy called.....
If any-one can fill in the blanks, might be worth a look..
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[Frost]

Sachs XTC probably

[MarJay]

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33bhp RG500?????

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