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Chalky.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: The hovercraft project... Reply with quote

Well now.

I've decided that my life is unfullfilled, and so need a make a hovercraft.

This is going to be quite a long project, I don't anticipate building it until September next year. Until then my time will be spent on research and getting materials.

I don't want some shitty thing that just hovers and poodles about, I want to make something that its very easy to die on, really hard to control and completely rapid!

Start of with the engine/engines.

At the moment, I don't know what power it'll need. I think the easiest way to go would be to have two, one for lift and one for thrust. The other option is to have one more powerful engine, with 2/3 of the power from it going towards thrust, 1/3 ducted away for lift. I like the idea of the lift and thrust being independant myself.

The base.
Without doubt, it needs to be light. One option is to use an old boat hull, or something along those lines. Gives a good solid base and shouldn't be too heavy. The other option would be to make my own base, probably out of polystyrene and plywood. Still undecided at the moment.

The skirt.
To put it basically, what the thing floats on. There are several different options, the main 2 being segmented and bagged. The easiest, and the one I'll probably go for is bagged. You basically start off witha strip of material, attach both the long sides to the edge of the hull, cust some holes in the bottom for the air to come out of, and you're away. I plan on using tractor tyre inner tubes at the moment.

Will play around with some diagrams later.

That's the long and short of it, I know there's some clever old people on here so advice etc appreciated.

Love and hugs x
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are various guides for hovercrafts on tinternet.

I would use one engine for lift and one for thrust but it will be heavy so you need decent sized engines. Probs 15-20hp for lift at least and at least 10 for thrust.

It will be interesting and awesome to see you hovering down edleston road. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
There are various guides for hovercrafts on tinternet.

I would use one engine for lift and one for thrust but it will be heavy so you need decent sized engines. Probs 15-20hp for lift at least and at least 10 for thrust.

It will be interesting and awesome to see you hovering down edleston road. Laughing


Yeh been looking through them, those ones don't seem very powerful though!

Edleston Road would be cool Laughing Think it'll be done down in shropshire though.

I want to slowly get a complete plan made up, so then come build time all I have to do is make it!

Starting with the hull...

Found this https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FIBRE-GLASS-BOAT-HULL-/320597280604?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4aa516475c

Buuut I reckon it's just going to be too heavy, and so the best way to go would be plywood and styrene.

Engine wise I'm thinking about a moped 50cc for lift and 250-600cc for thrust...
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

50cc isn't going to be enough to lift you and a hull though and a big engine.

Also, plywood ftw. Much lighter than fibreglass boat hull. Also plywood looks better.


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PostPosted: 12:09 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

We built a hovercraft at school, it was from BP-supplied plans as they had this 'hovercraft championship for schools' thing going on.

From memory, the hull was plywood with some polystyrene for added buoyancy, fan duct was fibreglass and the engine was from an RD350 with no gearbox (nicked from the woodwork teacher's shed, if legend was to be belived.) There was a steel frame to hold the engine which extended up to hold the front of the duct and keep engine and fan in line, other than that it was held together with nails, glue and the belief of the pilot. Cool

Single engine is so much easier to deal with, you just have the big slot into the skirt behind the fan so, as you say, 2/3 air goes out the back for thrust and the remaining 1/3 into the skirt for lift.

Make sure you go for independent 'cells' in the skirt - it's a load more sewing but means you can pop a bag and keep going - burst a single skirt and you're in unhappy land.

The only bit of the build that really required any precision was the fan and duct, everything else was pretty ropey Laughing Fun though. We never got to race it as we only got it finished after I'd technically left school (went back some weekends in the summer hols to get the bugger finished!) but a few test flights on the field out back suggested it would have been a giggle.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
50cc isn't going to be enough to lift you and a hull though and a big engine.

Also, plywood ftw. Much lighter than fibreglass boat hull. Also plywood looks better.


I dunno, from what I've read apparently you don't need that much to lift it!

Where to get a polystyrene block from though? And these people I've seen using plywood glue the bits together?! Would that not break?!
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
We built a hovercraft at school, it was from BP-supplied plans as they had this 'hovercraft championship for schools' thing going on.

From memory, the hull was plywood with some polystyrene for added buoyancy, fan duct was fibreglass and the engine was from an RD350 with no gearbox (nicked from the woodwork teacher's shed, if legend was to be belived.) There was a steel frame to hold the engine which extended up to hold the front of the duct and keep engine and fan in line, other than that it was held together with nails, glue and the belief of the pilot. Cool

Single engine is so much easier to deal with, you just have the big slot into the skirt behind the fan so, as you say, 2/3 air goes out the back for thrust and the remaining 1/3 into the skirt for lift.

Make sure you go for independent 'cells' in the skirt - it's a load more sewing but means you can pop a bag and keep going - burst a single skirt and you're in unhappy land.

The only bit of the build that really required any precision was the fan and duct, everything else was pretty ropey Laughing Fun though. We never got to race it as we only got it finished after I'd technically left school (went back some weekends in the summer hols to get the bugger finished!) but a few test flights on the field out back suggested it would have been a giggle.


Was that powerful enough to lift it?

Independant segments are reportedly the best way... I'm stuggling to see how they work though?

If I used the one engine I'd make it fucking huuuge!
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigger the engine, the more precise and dangerous the fan has got to be to make sure it lifts and pushes your craft.

Will be epic if it works.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soemthing like this

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-FZ600-RUNNING-ENGINE-FZ-600-/190438671725?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c5707856d

Gearbox... leave it in top gear all the time I suppose?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you get one with carbs, wiring loom etc like I have for my project.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be worth picking up a cheap mot failed whole bike, didnt think about the loom. Could get away with not having it I suppose though
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:


Was that powerful enough to lift it?

Independant segments are reportedly the best way... I'm stuggling to see how they work though?

If I used the one engine I'd make it fucking huuuge!


Oh yeah, plenty powerful. Remember, all it's doing it driving the fan - if your fan and shround are done well and you're not losing loads of air by having a huge wonky gap between the two then you don't need an offensive amount of power.

The segments.... imagine the framework of the hull is made from 2x4 with the ply nailed over it - so it's basically hollow. The air from the bottom bit of the fan circulates throughout your entire hull. You then drill holes (big fuck-off holesaw holes) along the top of the outer edge. The skirt 'bags' attach over these holes and then work just the same as a one-piece skirt would, it's just that you have lots more holes.

This is not unlike what we built, although ours was a bit smaller and a bit simpler:
https://www.hovercraft-world.com/PLANS5.jpg

https://www.hovercraft-world.com/plans.htm
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 01 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'd go with a 2-Stroke engine for power to weight ratio.

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