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dragstaar
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: One way to stop someone driving like an idiot Reply with quote

Driving to work today, got a CB500 in front of me, and a people carrier mini cab driving like an absolute maniac, doing 50+ in a 30. He cuts across two lanes and almost knocks the poor sod on the CB off. Then goes screeching up the lights which are turning red thinking he can make it, then slams on the breaks and skids to a stop when he realises he cant and almost hits a woman who had begun to cross.

Now, by this time I've noticed that the idiot has a child in the back seat who isn't wearing a seatbelt wither, and is on his phone too, so all this rally style driving is being done one-handed, in the pouring rain. I'm angry. So I filter past, and pop my bike on the stand in front of him, pull out a pad and pen that I always carry with me in case of an accident, and stroll up to his passenger window oh so calmly, and tap on the window...

Me: Right sir, I'm sure you aware that using a mobile telephone whilst driving is an offence for which the penalty is a fine and 3 points on your licence.

Driver: oh erm

Me: And You may have noticed me travelling behind you for some time, and your driving has been, to say the least, erratic. And given the conditions of the road, I would say its dangerous.

Driver: oh, but i was in a hurry

(Light goes green and cars start overtaking to continue)

Me: Well that doesn't excuse your dangerous driving. I also saw that you almost knocked that other motorcyclist off his bike. And that your passenger *nods to child in backseat* isnt wearing a seatbelt, and that you almost hit the lady who was crossing the road when you tried to pull a red light

Driver: I'm sorry sir... (starts fishing for his licence)

Me: (now that I can see that this guy is shitting bricks, and probably wont be driving like that for a while, i decide enough is enough) Right, well, I'm going to let you off this time, but if you are caught driving like this again you will face the consequences.

Then the guy breathes the biggest sigh I've ever heard and drives off good as gold! Hey, I never said i was a policeman (although the hi-vis coat i had on will have helped Very Happy )

Next time you see a twat on the road, try it, makes 'em shit bricks and if it means that they'll drive safer, i don't see why not! (plus it gives you a sense of satisfaction! Just thought I'd share!
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

what an idiot for driving like that!
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have got him to pay you a bribe Wink
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impersonating a police officer is a serious offense.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Impersonating a police officer is a serious offense.


But i wasnt impersonating a police officer, I never asked to see his licence, i was merely making him aware of the possible consequences of his erratic driving behaviours Wink
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done Very Happy

He never said he was a copper or suggested he was a copper.

And I think you mean offence?
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragstaar wrote:
But i wasnt impersonating a police officer, I never asked to see his licence, i was merely making him aware of the possible consequences of his erratic driving behaviours Wink

I realise this post is tongue in cheek. Fact of the matter remains that you could legally be done for it.

More worryingly if you try and stop the wrong type of person you could end up in a situation that you're unable to control.

Bad idea all around imho, although I don't necessarily beleive what you did was wrong, just stating realitys.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it could have gone wrong

but it was seriously awesome to read about Laughing

Well done for showing that tit Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant

I had an experience like that a few years back.

waiting at a roundabout alongside a guy in a VW Passat, when it was clear I moved off to turn right, he was going straight on, and did just that. Straight on, no lane discipline at all, forced me into the kerb on the roundabout.

I straightened the bike up and followed him, as I went past and looked at him, he turned his head and started shouting f**K off f**k off and giving me the fingers Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

I dropped in behind him then, half a mile on, he turned left down a lane, end of that lane, another left, bringing us right back to the same roundabout??

left at the roundabout, another left, left again, back to square one Twisted Evil

on the third lap I noticed someone in the back seat, a woman, leaning over and pointing, obviously giving the guy a right earful.

Another lap and he suddenly turned right into a driveway (no indicator).

I parked up, got off the bike, took my lid and gloves off slowly. By this time he was out, standing at the bottom of the drive, his wife was out too, making a big play of having a mobile in her hand.

I walked over.

me..good evening sir

him..oh (surprised look on his face)

me..do you know why I followed you?

him..(blurted out) "there's not much room on that roundabout is there??

me.. ah, so you did see me there, I did wonder. well sir, If you did see me, and forced me from the road, well that's dangerous driving isn't it?

him.. er, yes, but, I didn't, not at first.

me..I see sir, well in that case you were driving without due care and attention then.

him..er...er....er....er

me..you do realise what the penaltys are for that offence don't you? and the foul and abusive language you used doesn't help anybody, does it sir? not to mention the offensive gestures you made to me.

His chin was on his chest by now, just mumbling apologetically.

I thought I ought to point out to him that he had a defective nearside brake light also, that needed fixing asap.

Then I left him with the advice that he really ought to think a little more about lane discipline, and he badly needed to adjust his attitude to other road users, especially vulnerable road users, ie riders of motorcycles.

I thanked him for his time then, and walked back to the bike, trying not to laugh, I had to bite my sodding lip to stop myself.

I turned for a last look, to see his wife giving him another earfull, wagging her finger in his face again, wasn't going to be a good evening for him.


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PostPosted: 11:55 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragstaar wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Impersonating a police officer is a serious offense.


But i wasnt impersonating a police officer, I never asked to see his licence, i was merely making him aware of the possible consequences of his erratic driving behaviours Wink


Not sure that would stand up in a court of law if you were charged with that. Even so have to admire your chutzpah doing it and keeping calm! I've thought about doing something like that but haven't got the balls!!
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irezumi aka Reuben wrote:
dragstaar wrote:
But i wasnt impersonating a police officer, I never asked to see his licence, i was merely making him aware of the possible consequences of his erratic driving behaviours Wink

I realise this post is tongue in cheek. Fact of the matter remains that you could legally be done for it.

No he couldn't, unless the prosecution could prove Dragstaar intended to impersonate a police officer. Which of course he didn't, he was simply drawing the man's attention to his poor driving. Wink And when he spoke of "letting him off" he was referring the anachronistic possibility of a private prosecution, implying that next time he will carry out a citizen's arrest and then a non-crown prosecution. All perfectly kosher!
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect! i can imagine the look on his face.

nice one mate Smile
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode by someone on their mobile phone who took about 300 yards to change lanes, got beside her, looked over, she put the phone on her left shoulder and put both hands on the wheels, hi vis jackets FTW!
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, its true, it was a situation that could have turned sticky, but i think that given the circumstances, and I was careful not to look at his licence, that I would have been okay, although I may have received a grilling from the powers that be.

But seriously guys, the look on this guys face was well worth any possible aggro (for me anyway! Maybe, it may not be such a good ideas for others to try it incase they get caught up with a psycho!). He was absolutely shitting bricks, because if i was a police officer, there was so much i could have had him for. Speeding, dangerous driving, the lane changes without incication, almost hitting the pedestrian, child without a seatbelt on, using his phone. He genuinely thought he'd had it!

Going by his face though, I can safely say that he'll be the most careful driver on London roads for a long time.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
hi vis jackets FTW!


Yup! was defo the Hi Vis jacket that was the icing on the cake!
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try that in the US & the car driver would be looking at justifiable homicide....& you'd be laying there in a puddle of piss & blood.
Had some twat come up to my truck at a store the other day looking for a handout. All it took was "step away from the vehicle" & he skedaddled like I was about to shoot him... which would have been a bit difficult as my nearest gun was 1/2mile away.
Funny part was as this was happening someone pulled into an empty space next to me, heard what I said & fucked off as well, didn't even get out of his car Smile
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, but i can get away with it in London Wink Thing is though, the roads are so huge in the states, that bikes get their fair share of tarmac space, but here in the UK, being old cities and whatnot, the roads are tiny, narrow and twisty, so when a car driver isn't taking due care, the consequences can be dire. Now i'm not saying bikers cant drive like twats, by all means, we are capable of being duffers, just when I saw that guy driving like that, something had to be done!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irezumi aka Reuben wrote:

I realise this post is tongue in cheek. Fact of the matter remains that you could legally be done for it.


How? The OP, at no point, stated that he was a copper. He didn't pull him over, isn't showing blue lights, didn't present some form of ID.

I'm pretty certain that the act of pulling out a notebook isn't yet proof of intent to impersonate a copper!
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

multijoy wrote:
Irezumi aka Reuben wrote:

I realise this post is tongue in cheek. Fact of the matter remains that you could legally be done for it.


How? The OP, at no point, stated that he was a copper. He didn't pull him over, isn't showing blue lights, didn't present some form of ID.

I'm pretty certain that the act of pulling out a notebook isn't yet proof of intent to impersonate a copper!


In which case by what right did he have to obstruct a carriageway? Knowing that he was wearing a yellow Hi Viz, and talking about 'offences' and being 'let off' I'd say that was pretty damn close to impersonating a police officer.

The police don't like the general public impersonating them, and they'll make something stick if they can. There are a few offences where the police will go out of their way, bend over backwards and tie themselves in knots to pin on you, and one of those is impersonating a police officer.

Its a very very dangerous game to do this.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX6R. Justifiable homicide? You have got to be kidding me.
Was that just a throwaway comment or is there any legal justification which I cannot think of which supports your statement?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
ZX6R. Justifiable homicide? You have got to be kidding me.
Was that just a throwaway comment or is there any legal justification which I cannot think of which supports your statement?


Yes, in the US you are allowed to kill someone if you feel that they pose a threat to your life, liberty or property. This includes someone posing as an officer of the law.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't you just stick a shotgun through the window and ask if has got the message?

Half the cars I passed on my way home from work this evening had drivers yacking on the phone, I am sure that they first thing they knew about me was me glaring at them as I went by (I realize that a Fireblade doing 180 kmh + is too subtle for most to notice).
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FinnDave wrote:
Can't you just stick a shotgun through the window and ask if has got the message?

Half the cars I passed on my way home from work this evening had drivers yacking on the phone, I am sure that they first thing they knew about me was me glaring at them as I went by (I realize that a Fireblade doing 180 kmh + is too subtle for most to notice).


whats that in proper speed? Razz
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

In which case by what right did he have to obstruct a carriageway? Knowing that he was wearing a yellow Hi Viz, and talking about 'offences' and being 'let off' I'd say that was pretty damn close to impersonating a police officer.

The police don't like the general public impersonating them, and they'll make something stick if they can. There are a few offences where the police will go out of their way, bend over backwards and tie themselves in knots to pin on you, and one of those is impersonating a police officer.

Its a very very dangerous game to do this.

Well the police just investigate the crime, it's the CPS that prosecute. And each crime has a very specific definition - if you don't meet the definition you cannit be dun. In this case I wouldn't say he's impersonated a police officer.

And even if he has, prosecution has to be in the public interest. Criminalising something which gave rise to safer driving with no gain for the individual is unlikely to be 'in the public interest'. And even if it is, the court has to want to pass that criminalisation into the common law. And besides, we all have a right to enforce the law using reasonable force. And enforcing the law is likely to be a reasonable excuse for blocking the carriageway.

The prosecution would need a lot of leaps of faith to get a conviction. I think we're on safe tarmac.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
FinnDave wrote:
Can't you just stick a shotgun through the window and ask if has got the message?

Half the cars I passed on my way home from work this evening had drivers yacking on the phone, I am sure that they first thing they knew about me was me glaring at them as I went by (I realize that a Fireblade doing 180 kmh + is too subtle for most to notice).


whats that in proper speed? Razz


About 180 kmh Very Happy , or 112 mph for the metrically challenged. Seemed fast enough in an 80 kmh limit, don't want to push my luck.
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